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    #24261931 - 04/21/17 02:05 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ok have to calm down and form comprehensible sentences.......... (that's me taking deep breaths). Ok Had a mono get contaminated with green mold think it was because i had large drips from the top lid coming down on the sub. I get the drips from the side walls going inbetween the tub and the plastic bag but how do i stop the drips from the top, do you pitch it to one side?  My sub was coir, rabbit manure, verm and gypsum. I know right off the bat im gonna take shit for using rabbit dookie but i had a lot on hand and read a couple threads saying most people dont like it but a few people  have used it with sucess. kept the gypsum at 5 %, and diluted the poo with verm until it was fluffy, not quite as fluffy as a brf medium but pretty gluffy ( the rabbit turd was aged and outdoors uncovered for over six months) then cut that about 1 to 1 with coir. i know h poo is preferred and has the right texture right off the bat and will be using that instead. I pasteurized for an hour between 160 and 170 and used a 1 to 4 ratio of rye spawn. The sub was at proper field capacity. Was i supposed to sterilize? I did one with just coir and verm and that ones doin ok. Why does coir not support contams when its nutritive? I've  read that if you have clean grain spawn and a properly pasteurizated sub that you shouldn't see any contams before the first flush. The frustration is also not really being all that new to this hobby

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262526 - 04/21/17 07:44 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like it was your spawn.

Did you inoculate it with a clean agar culture?
Contams like trich will hide very well in spawn


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: mushpunx]
    #24262759 - 04/21/17 09:45 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

what mush said. did you start from spores or a culture on agar?

a few things:

#1 calm down

#2 use the "enter" button to break up your posts into different grouped ideas, it makes it much easier for people to read and reply to all your questions, etc. walls of text are gross

#3 i was gonna suggest just doing CVG until you get the hang of it, and waiting on manure since there are so many things that can go wrong with  it, whereas CVG is pretty straightforward. sounds like you already observed this

#4 coir can absolutely support contams, it is just far less prone to contams than many other substrates. this is why you will often hear people talk about how contam resistant coir is and sometimes see crazy examples of coir working despite the worst of conditions/technique. its contam resistant by comparision, not as a general rule

#5 you want pasteurization, not sterilization. spawning to bulk is not a sterile process, its done in open air. for just coir, most people dont even bother with proper pasteurization. what do you use for your pasteurization? i looooove roaster ovens, and do at least 90 mins

#6 youll do well to stop stressing over trying to convince yourself (or us) of how "experienced" you are... seriously, that is gonna cause you all kinds of problems.. an open mind is the way to approach this hobby... anyone who is experienced has seen PLENTY of contams over the years, its not a big deal, and it provides you with opportunity to learn

#7 as mentioned, you can learn a LOT more from failure than success. success doesnt tell you much at all with cubensis, since its so insanely hardy. failure on the other hand, can teach you LOTS if you are open to learning

#8 its definitely a bad idea to assume that you are doing anything right (such as field capacity), post pics and people can give you an idea. confidence in new growers is directly correlated with high failure rate, and thus burnout

best of luck :cheers:


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24262770 - 04/21/17 09:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Your spawn probably wasn't clean.
And just use cvg next time. No manure.


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: mushpunx]
    #24262794 - 04/21/17 10:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

It was a multispore sryinge on rye that had been transferred one time i don't know if thats called g2?

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262804 - 04/21/17 10:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

if you shot spores into grain then that was a bad move. sure, it can and has worked, but it is bad technique for sure..

because we fruit in open air (not sterile) spores are always dirty, never assume they are sterile. always germinate them on agar first and do a few transfers (agar to agar) to be sure you have a clean culture, then use that to inoc

when you said "transferred" did you mean grain to grain? pouring colonized grains into another jar? or what did you mean?


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262809 - 04/21/17 10:08 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

If you shot spores directly onto grain then it's no surprise it contaminated. Start on agar first.


Edit: he beat me to it


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262811 - 04/21/17 10:09 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

you did g2g with MS spawn, and used rabbit poo? like damn.. thats a lot of emojis at once.

dripping water from a lid does not cause contamination. it can cause issues but its not going
to ruin your tub. dirty spawn will. you did g2g with highly suspect spawn and use rabbit shit.

what everyone else said:whathesaid:. stick with coco and use clean inoculate(agar)

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: FriedEgg]
    #24262812 - 04/21/17 10:10 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

FriedEgg said:
If you shot spores directly onto grain then it's no surprise it contaminated. Start on agar first.


Edit: he beat me to it




and +5d your ass in the meantime haha  :superthrust:


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24262815 - 04/21/17 10:11 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you, all great advice i definitely let my emotions get the better of me there i apologize. I'll just keep patient and away from manure for now thanks so much. Oh and does anyone have any suggestions on the dripping problem. Id take a pic but i already got rid of the bin

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262822 - 04/21/17 10:13 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

ignore it. fix your spawn first.

but post a pic.:shrug: maybe your chamber sucks?.. oh you tossed it.. why?

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262826 - 04/21/17 10:14 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think the dripping was your problem. obviously, pics would help, but its probably irrelevant

if there was water pooling on the surface, that was a problem, and would mean too much misting and not enough FAE

i like to always run the fan  (indirect ) after misting, to trigger evaporation and make sure there is no pooling


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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24262856 - 04/21/17 10:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

c10h12n2o said:
Quote:

FriedEgg said:
If you shot spores directly onto grain then it's no surprise it contaminated. Start on agar first.


Edit: he beat me to it




and +5d your ass in the meantime haha  :superthrust:



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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24262859 - 04/21/17 10:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

There all right I used to think years ago my method was fool proof if I do that now ill funk up my whole operation lmao

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #24262862 - 04/21/17 10:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't mist at all the tape was still on the holes i thought the non air tight lid would provide the g.e.. it was about 80 percent colinized but maybe i did screw field capacity up

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262869 - 04/21/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

How long did it take to get to 80%?

And what ratio of spawn to substrate did you use?

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262881 - 04/21/17 10:28 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ill just be patient and learn agar and try to work on my sterile tech, sorry for the doushey post was just real bummed

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262883 - 04/21/17 10:29 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

About 8 days and 4 to 1

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262889 - 04/21/17 10:32 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I mean 1 to 4

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Re: sooooo frustrated!! [Re: BadBrain77]
    #24262899 - 04/21/17 10:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

thats a low spawn ratio(for actives) do 1:1 or maybe 1:2

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