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    #23658811 - 09/19/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket (also barrel, basket or pot), is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you."[1] The metaphor refers to a bucket of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4][5] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]




Its a big problem throughout life, and an integral part of the competitive mindset.

The Pub, and indeed the world, is being mostly held down by this, people competing instead of synergizing.

We can lift each other up using our collective strengths, we, as, all of us, as One. There is no telling what we could do as a group if we United on a deeper level, be it PLUR, Shroomery Island or serious business.

Crab mentality.

Discuss synergistically.


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23658828 - 09/19/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yup, I see it in myself and others all of the time.
I'm actually of the opinion that while individuals can and should act to better themselves and raise their consciousness, we have a tendency to overestimate the willpower and insight available to people generally, and its a bit of a fairy story imo to imagine that we can simply expect people to change the world by thinking differently on an individual level. We need systemic and societal kluges to encourage people to act rationally and humanely, as well as these kinds of mental movements. The environment we find ourselves in today is terribly diminishing of rational thought, and until we fix that a lot of these nasty human instincts will be impossible to eradicate , imo

still, don't want to sound defeatist. The more people that think and behave like you do asante the better

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
    #23658829 - 09/19/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This thread just makes me want to eat crab. Perhaps because I'm already so damn misanthropic I would expect nothing other than what the quote suggests.


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
    #23658832 - 09/19/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We come from an intensely competitive environments and that type of behaviour is pretty much the MO for every animal out there. One would have to assume its kind of an integral part of everything. Instinctual even.

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23658839 - 09/19/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is instinctual, but we can override instinct with rational thought. In some cases that competitive streak is beneficial for the common good, in others not so much.
I'm not big on the appeal to nature, or appeal to instinct however as I tend to see reason as superior

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
    #23658915 - 09/19/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We all have it in us, the Opponent and the Ally. I'm sure you noticed me trying to get the synergism train rolling in threads.

Imagine a Shroomery with more group cohesion. A Shroomery like an awesome fraternaty or better: an Illuminati of its own. Need info, need help, need a job, a room to crash in a strange town, fun drug friendly roommates to share rent with, a bit of cash - interest free - to tide you over? Come to the Organization. we will set you up. One for All and All for One. You contribute so hey, compadre, we'll take good care of you, we know you're good for it.



I'm strictly NOT talking illegal activity but imagine the Shroomery was more synergistic and helpful.

A friend of a friend got a job through his fraternity network that ended up paying him several hundred thousand bucks a year. Connections. I can tell you how many connections the Shroomery has, a million unique visitors a month.

Almost all our potential is unused, as a social group.

To be a devil's advocate, think of the Rothschilds for a moment.



That started out with a father and his sons who made a bold plan. Each of the sons went to live in a major city and started a bank there, and these banks in strategic locations all worked together as One. Now they have a family capital of over 500 Trillion, so its said.

All because of the cunning plan of a father and his sons.

Thats an example of what can happen when people TRULY synergize, when they act as one.

Of course we shouldnt become an international banking cartel, that position is taken but surely, you get my point.

We can work together on a much higher level than we do now and help each other advance in our lives more than we would otherwise.

Nothing illegal!  But think of the possibilities if we all added our strengths together and put our eggs into this one Shroomy basket.


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
    #23659002 - 09/19/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

well I admit I've got no suggestions, but I'm with ya in spirit Asante :thumbup:
(also if you do start an international banking cartel I'd be down. Just saying)

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
    #23659008 - 09/19/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Its of course wild examples but, there is much potential.

Particularly not a top-down approach, but members connecting more efficiently.


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante] * 4
    #23659013 - 09/19/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think the answer is to take drugs all the time and then shit on everyone who doesn't do exactly the same.

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
    #23659017 - 09/19/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it :shrug:


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23659021 - 09/19/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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goldcaphunter said:
Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it :shrug:





Synergizing is communism?


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
    #23659024 - 09/19/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have an opportunity for other shroomerites looking for a business connection.  I just need a small deposit of $5 from you and also $5 from three people you will recruit into our organization, the shroominarty.

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: goldcaphunter] * 1
    #23659025 - 09/19/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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goldcaphunter said:
Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it :shrug:




debatable, especially if you consider many European nations to be socialist. IMO socialism works fine, the problem is centralized dictatorships without a replacement for the market, which -although it can get out of hand if not regulated- serves a valuable role the soviets overlooked.
imo socialism is totally workable and preferable to what America has currently

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
    #23659055 - 09/19/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

But the variable of humans being defiant and inherently greedy would deteriorate the system to the point of failure.

The European nations that implement "socialism" do so with a very mild version. To the point I don't even really consider it to be true socialism!

Just my opinion obviously, and I fucking hate talking about our government let alone other nations governments :lol:


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: goldcaphunter] * 1
    #23659069 - 09/19/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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goldcaphunter said:
Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it :shrug:



Stop being so crabby.

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: PatrickKn] * 3
    #23659076 - 09/19/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@asante,

oh indeed sir, you see!! it is not humans that are inherently greedy, it is culture.  now we are getting to it!!

Edited by DinduNuffin (09/19/16 03:42 PM)

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23659081 - 09/19/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I knew that would fit your agenda!

:asianofapproval:


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: goldcaphunter] * 1
    #23659087 - 09/19/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree (unfortunately i like talking about politics and government ha)
I'm of the opinion that its not an issue of socialism vs capitalism, but that rather either system in its extreme is unworkable, and actually the most desirable society would be a mixture of the two.
also while indeed there are underlying instincts involved, society exaggerates or quenches those instincts depending on the particular model. The problem with the american model today, imo, is that it encourages greed and 'crab' thinking beyond natural levels. An ideal socialist model, not a totalitarian communist nightmare state, might actually limit greed and selfishness, especially given a good education system and an environment in which rational thought is encouraged and explored as the basis for altruism is essentially a rational one, not an instinctive one imo (that is why I don't think libertarian ideals could ever work in their pure form for instance)

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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
    #23659114 - 09/19/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Bunch of crabs in this thread


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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: ModestMouse] * 4
    #23659136 - 09/19/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote from Asante in this thread:

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Imagine a Shroomery with more group cohesion. A Shroomery like an awesome fraternaty or better: an Illuminati of its own. Need info, need help, need a job, a room to crash in a strange town, fun drug friendly roommates to share rent with, a bit of cash - interest free - to tide you over? Come to the Organization. we will set you up...




Not trying to be contrarian or anything, but moreso here than any other site, the above has been my experience.  I can't even begin to list all the amazing ways people here have helped me out.  Like, it's innumerable.  Maybe even illimitable.  And I try to do what I can to help out others here.  I think most of us are like that. :shrug:

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