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 Conceptual Infinity. 
#22883518 - 02/09/16 03:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is it? What springs to mind when you hear it? Is it impossible to explain or are you already a pro at explain the concept? Does it hold any significance? Is it just a concept or is it something real? Do you hate thinking about it or does it make your head hurt when you think about it? Can you define it mathematically?
I want to know how others view this concept and this seems like a nice place to ask. This is a mushroom site after all. Somebodies gotta have something to say about it right?
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: deezdelta]
#22883991 - 02/09/16 05:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is it?
Infinity : Unmanifested ... unbounded potential.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanifest
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What springs to mind when you hear it?
A photon that has the capability to assume any wavelength in 'manifested' form.
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Is it impossible to explain or are you already a pro at explain the concept?
Sure, it is possible to explain.. However, the explanations are infinite.
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Does it hold any significance?
Sure, it holds significance... A very profound significance.
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Is it just a concept or is it something real?
What is real? What is made manifest.... ?
If I dip a scooper into a jar for which you are unable to see its contents and, as the scoop rises out, you are able to see the manifested contents. Would you say that the contents in the jar are 'real'? You'd probably argue that the manifested reality is different than that of the reality in the jar but seemingly there is some 'realness' in there.
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Do you hate thinking about it or does it make your head hurt when you think about it?
Used to hurt my head when I was younger and had no framework to reason as to what it was.. Doesn't anymore.
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Can you define it mathematically?
Can you give me 10 billion dollars + whatever proceeds you hope to gain from grasping the concept of infinity?
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I want to know how others view this concept and this seems like a nice place to ask. This is a mushroom site after all. Somebodies gotta have something to say about it right?
Why do you want to know? Enjoy the appetizer. Lets see where this thread goes ...
Edited by iiilil (02/09/16 05:28 PM)
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: iiilil]
#22884044 - 02/09/16 05:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Infinity minus infinity = infinity.
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: hTx]
#22884098 - 02/09/16 05:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Undetermined - Undetermined = undermined..
Well, yeah... lol.
*fixed the '-' in my original post in case it was being interpreted as a mathematical operator.
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: deezdelta]
#22884218 - 02/09/16 05:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the infinite is perceivable, but not exactly communicable. You know it when you see it.
That said, Nature is infinite. There is no reason to believe, in modern astrophysics, that it isn't. And what if there were a multiverse? Infinity squared?
One can go beyond Nature and thus beyond the infinite, but I have nothing to say about that.
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: iiilil]
#22884236 - 02/09/16 05:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Draw a circle, place your finger on any point and move along the line until it stops.
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Draw a circle, place your finger on any point and move along the line until it stops.
The infinite ways to explain infinite :-D
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Draw a circle, place your finger on any point and move along the line until it stops.
Thats a good one.
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: deezdelta]
#22884654 - 02/09/16 07:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to try and imagine infinity, such as living forever or an infinite amount of distance.. shit almost broke my brain lol.
I find it easier to grasp in terms of never ending cycles opposed to a more linear concept such as above.
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I used to try and imagine infinity, such as living forever or an infinite amount of distance.. shit almost broke my brain lol.
I find it easier to grasp in terms of never ending cycles opposed to a more linear concept such as above.
Never ending oscillations make sense mathematically but physically not so much(proven that is).
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How about this. Count up from -1 all the way to 1 without missing one number. Then think about what zero is.
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: deezdelta]
#22885164 - 02/09/16 08:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You know if you want to take a piece of paper and keep folding it until it is thick enough to reach the sun you only need to fold it like 50 or 60 something times!! I've tried it... It's really hard though:-)
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: deezdelta]
#22885214 - 02/09/16 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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How about this. Count up from -1 all the way to 1 without missing one number. Then think about what zero is.
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You know if you want to take a piece of paper and keep folding it until it is thick enough to reach the sun you only need to fold it like 50 or 60 something times!! I've tried it... It's really hard though:-)
Those are pretty good. 
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It is the same conundrum trying to understand 'it' like it would be trying to understand light without dark or dark without light. There is no such thing as a thing called 'infinity' as though it is some-thing wholly other from another 'thing' we term 'finite'. What is real is not two things but an unfathomable dynamic reality which is both finite yet infinite. Our conceptual thinking as created things which we then take to be--some of us--independent entities, and then taking this conceptualization to be reality, dream of disappearing into the 'infinite' away from the 'finite' lol and promise as much to others
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: zzripz]
#22886556 - 02/10/16 07:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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... There is no such thing as a thing called 'infinity' ...
exactly
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: zzripz]
#22886610 - 02/10/16 07:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh there are tons of examples of dynamic realities that are both finite and infinite. The actuality of this is that proof comes from the observer when trying to make sense of where it is he is in this close bounded infinite structure.
As far as your conundrum to understand "it" you should understand "dark" is merely the absence of light. Darkness is infinite but is light???? Hmmmm.
The infinite darkness I'm talking about would be referencing the infinite vacuum that is present in a bounded finite section of space. (yes, you can bound space. This is one of the my favorite concepts differential geometry.)
I did enjoy your comment though. I'm really glad nobody has said something like "infinity is just a concept mathematicians use to determine the behavior of a function as it approaches an absolute limit." Or some boring garbage like that 18th century train of common thought.
Leonard Euler was not of the common thought by the way. From where I observe, Euler is and always will be the Master.
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... There is no such thing as a thing called 'infinity' ...
exactly
Sorry about that. This sucks for you guys. I hope it's not permanent.
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... There is no such thing as a thing called 'infinity' ...
exactly
Also you should include "There is no such thing as a thing called 'zero'..." as well. Just to be thorough in your reasoning.
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Re: Conceptual Infinity. [Re: deezdelta]
#22886691 - 02/10/16 08:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes numbers are abstractions not things
(both zero and one are more peculiar than the primes)
however this discussion was about infinity
which people try and 'grasp'
which is like a puppy trying to catch it's tail
as the in-fine-ite is that which cannot be de-fine-d
as soon as "the" is put in front of a word we assume it is a noun
as in "the infinite", but we don't say "the three" or "the zero"
infinite / infinity seems more like a verb, like: "expanding"
if it ever stopped it would be measurable
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yes numbers are abstractions not things
(both zero and one are more peculiar than the primes)
however this discussion was about infinity
which people try and 'grasp'
which is like a puppy trying to catch it's tail
as the in-fine-ite is that which cannot be de-fine-d
as soon as "the" is put in front of a word we assume it is a noun
as in "the infinite", but we don't say "the three" or "the zero"
infinite / infinity seems more like a verb, like: "expanding"
if it ever stopped it would be measurable
Well I started the thread so I think that gives me the authority to define this "grasp" and I apologize for not doing so initially. By grasp we should think of "mental grasp" as the ability of your mind to hold a thought and explore that thought and extract idea's from it and from that develop concepts from those ideas. I don't care if their based in reality or not but if there not, I'd suggest only to entertain the idea and discard when done. The development of a concept that is not reality based makes people crazy.
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Edited by deezdelta (02/10/16 08:45 AM)
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