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Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism
#22605504 - 12/02/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, I have drawn parallels to the significance of electing one of the leaders of Corporate America to the highest office of the American government, and the phenomenon of Fascist ideals growing in the hearts of right wing America.
Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base.
Some of the key markers of Fascism are a boarderline religious form of nationalism, a focus on the military, isolationist self-sufficiency if possible, a return to some ideal vision of what the country once was, banning things that the government finds harmful (such as drugs), and stifling of dissent by the government.
Now, Trump doesn't fit all of these criteria, and there could certainly be a more in-depth description of Fascism. However, some of the things he says are quite alarming when matched up against this template.
Take Trump's wall for instance. This is a form of isolationism. Walling off other countries to keep good people in, and bad people out (American citizens are the good people). While I understand the reasoning behind it, when coupled with other factors, it is alarming to say the least. Donald Trump wants to increase military spending significantly. This is another characteristic of Fascism.
What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps? Another characteristic which aligns with Fascist regimes of history is the notion that we should cleanse the population of unwanted people. People of a certain race.
Donald wants to continue the war on drugs, because he views marijuana as harmful. The war on drugs has always been a Fascist ideal.
Am I wrong here?
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22605563 - 12/02/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22605646 - 12/02/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maintaining a border is protecting one's sovereignty, that's not fascism, it's called being responsible.
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22605760 - 12/02/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: Maintaining a border is protecting one's sovereignty, that's not fascism, it's called being responsible.
Try to look at the sum of all of these parts, instead of cherry picking things you disagree with.
If you're going to cherrypick something, how about this?:
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What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps?
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Am I wrong here?
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Care to elaborate, or is that all that half a broken cylinder you're crankin up there has to offer?
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
#22605767 - 12/02/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nah you got it
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: airclay] 1
#22605858 - 12/02/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're gonna accuse the guy of something, maybe you could cite a source or something,
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Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base
Isn't Bernie sanders the one who wants to nationalize the banks? Education? The energy sector? Healthcare?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2266
Can you cite where Trump wants to nationalize anything?
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22606793 - 12/02/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: If you're gonna accuse the guy of something, maybe you could cite a source or something,
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Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base
Isn't Bernie sanders the one who wants to nationalize the banks? Education? The energy sector? Healthcare?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2266
Can you cite where Trump wants to nationalize anything?
Sure nationalization of certain industries is a characteristic of Fascism. However, when we think of the horrors of Fascism, nationalized healthcare isn't even on the list. However, Trump meets several of the nastier criteria of a Fascist regime.
I bring you back to this:
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What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps?
Nationalization of certain industries is also a feature of Socialism, Communism, and even modern day Capitalism, so I feel you're really grasping at straws here.
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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#22606929 - 12/02/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: If you're gonna accuse the guy of something, maybe you could cite a source or something,
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Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base
Isn't Bernie sanders the one who wants to nationalize the banks? Education? The energy sector? Healthcare?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2266
Can you cite where Trump wants to nationalize anything?
Sure nationalization of certain industries is a characteristic of Fascism. However, when we think of the horrors of Fascism, nationalized healthcare isn't even on the list. However, Trump meets several of the nastier criteria of a Fascist regime.
I bring you back to this:
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What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps?
Nationalization of certain industries is also a feature of Socialism, Communism, and even modern day Capitalism, so I feel you're really grasping at straws here.
Maybe you could post a link of what industries Trump wants to nationalize? I noticed you didn't, or even a link of the other unsubstantiated shit?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#22607457 - 12/03/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his prole** followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#22607531 - 12/03/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...
When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?
you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22611148 - 12/03/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare...
If there's one thing Hitler did extraordinarily well, it was to fix the German economy during the Great Depression.
Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs. Sound familiar?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#22611175 - 12/03/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare...
If there's one thing Hitler did extraordinarily well, it was to fix the German economy during the Great Depression.
Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs. Sound familiar?
That's sort of what I was getting at here:
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However, when we think of the horrors of Fascism, nationalized healthcare isn't even on the list. However, Trump meets several of the nastier criteria of a Fascist regime.
The fact that 'Hitler did it'! Doesn't make something bad. Hitler also breathed and shit. However, when we look to the reasons the world despises the Nazi regime in Germany, some of Trump's proposals and personal attributes are eerily reminiscent.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#22611189 - 12/03/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his prole** followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22611228 - 12/03/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs. Sound familiar?
this alone isnt a bad thing if its for everyone
islam is scary though, most of its history is violence, and now that their perceived ancient enemy runs the world it must burn hot inside some, then theres the lack of freedom
i do believe the evil people are totally cool with trump getting in whether he plays for them or not
itd be relatively easy for them to engineer us into a raging froth setting forth a new breed of holocaust
they might have to hold off on the one world government, but at least people will be dieing
bernie sanders is funny he acts likes hes special for not getting big donors then says the same thing as the guy who lives in the dracula castle
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Does]
#22611253 - 12/03/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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besides the mass murder of undesirables and waging war on the world were hitlers policies bad?
ye cant even really blame that on him though, he was a broken child who was given power then conned by the british
note elizabeth heiling in 33
insert meth and voila, history
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Does]
#22611300 - 12/03/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Donald-Trump-Danny-Zuker-Twitter-Feud-37846762
^ tee hee
PS: good thread OP.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...
When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?
you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?
^ awesome. what a hypocrite.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
#22611375 - 12/04/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PS: remember when the farmers fired all the Mexican workers, and American workers wouldn't take those jobs?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22611520 - 12/04/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs. Sound familiar?
The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain]
#22611801 - 12/04/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.
Here's that story:
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“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”
Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.
“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22611850 - 12/04/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...
When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?
you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?
You're absolutely right, Hitler had a few good ideas. And just to note the whole gun control thing was mainly aimed at Jewish people and others deemed " non desirables" by his regime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory
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