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 HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" 
#22555749 - 11/21/15 02:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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While looking for some answers to an experience I had for the first time last month I first heard of wood lovers paralysis or WLP for short.
My experience: I had about 1 to 1.5 oz of dried P.Cyans and I was wanting a nice hard trip that particular night however I don't own a scale so I just started munching mushrooms.
I estimate I ate 5 to 7 grams, had a great time, awsome 3D visuals open and closed eye, knocked out about 4 am, everything was all good until the next morning I woke up well rested but with trouble controlling my hands when I was trying to eat cereal. My fingers felt cramped/numb! I tried to take a drink of milk and realized my upper lip as well was numb and non-responsive. I couldn't make my lips wrap around a smoke enough to hit it even!!
I had a brief similar feeling in my legs that eventually went away first after about 45 min awake. HOWEVER the feelings in my hands and lips came and left through most of the day until 6 or 7 that night..
Now, being thoroughly freaked out at this happening I start searching the old forums and after doing a little digging I was able to find some information about WLP. The information I found is a little hard to sift through for legit cases vs false alarms or fake ones and I have come across a whole lot of conflicting information.
What it all seems to boil down to is that in the end, no one really knows why this happens or what causes it.
What I have learned so far:
1. This is a real phenomena experienced by people
2. This is not as simple as "just getting too f*cked up"
3. Cyans and Azur's seem to be the most common culprits. Maybe other Wood lovers?
4. The seemingly legit cases I have read as well as my own experience have symptoms onset not during the trip but the next morning or after/during coming down.
5. First noticeable symptoms are blurred vision, hand cramping/numbness, then loss of facial/mouth movement followed by having a hard time walking then full loss of the ability to walk properly or even stand period.
6. The severity of symptoms seems to differ person to person. Mine were gone in a few hours and I never fully lost leg function like some. (I have yet to find a case that lasts more than 24 hrs.) HOWEVER I did notice the people who ingested the most mushrooms didn't necessarily have the worst symptoms.There does not seem to be a direct dose size to symptom relation I think this is something important to think about.
Is anyone interested in trying to help me get to the bottom of this? I'm not sure how to proceed as well as being new to the site..What are the questions we need to be asking? Also I briefly saw something on this being histamine related and cured with benedryl*sp. Can anyone confirm this?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME as well as countless others Im sure.
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 Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: JuicyJunkie253]
#22556899 - 11/21/15 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think there was some thread that says its a histamine reaction and eating benadryl will fix it
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: JuicyJunkie253]
#22557953 - 11/21/15 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22561072 - 11/22/15 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I listened to a podcast awhile ago where this guy lost motor function on an ayahuasca ceremony. Ended up shitting himself. The story is hilarious and worth listening too. Their take on it, is its part of the medicines process. Just like throwing up and diarrhea are a normal side effect of most psychedellics, it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Purging is cleansing physically and spiritually.
Podcast Episode
I've had weird effects on cyans I picked. I took 1 gram dried and had the heavy body load. When I finally started to fall asleep at the end of the night I would be jolted awake by what sounded like and felt like I was electrocuted. It was super weird and maybe happened 3 more times before I finally fell asleep.
Will be looking more into this. I think being properly hydrated, keeping sugar levels stable during trip and overall being healthy will reduce these risks. Eat super foods, drink fresh vegetable juice and get some antioxidants. I treat every trip like I'm running a marathon. I spend as much time before hand eating clean, exercising, meditating, etc.. Then hydrate and do pre-workout supplements (antioxidants, 5-http, protein). Fast for 4 hours minimum before taking them. Plenty of water, and a coconut water or 2 during the experience. Best experiences I have had was after juice fasting for a few days.
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 Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: JuicyJunkie253]
#22561354 - 11/22/15 08:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wish i knew too what is causing these muscle side effects.
This is what i do know:
Its common in ps cyans and ps azures and affects most but not all people.
It was NOT in ps stunzii, which i found in wood chips. Also should be noted stunziis are relatively weak while cyans and azures are strong. Connection?
And i found a "temporary cure" by microdosing ps cyans every week at small doses ranging from 0.4 grams to 0.8 grams. By the 4th week, my side effects were reduced dramatically.
However, if u stop microdosing every week, the immunity wears off and the side effects come back. Its a short window of immunity.
Some people propose these mushrooms could be absorbing heavy metals. Scary stuff. Could be anything thou 
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22561433 - 11/22/15 09:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess I'll weigh in with my experience here.
A few years ago, i went out with some friends to the WA coast for a camping trip (pun intended  ). While most of us took LSD, two of my friends ate some mushrooms they had purchased. We were told they were cyanescens but they looked really black and not really much like cyans IMO. Anyways, one of my friends ended up experiencing paralysis much like you guys are talking about.
3 of us were on the shore while the other guys went to explore. My friend, who I'll call Jeff, was just starting to experience the loss of control in his legs. He would try to stand up and his legs would collapse like jelly. It started to scare us pretty quick because we didn't know what was wrong with him. In addition to this, he was also getting weird facial contractions where his mouth would distort similar to a mentally disabled person. Eventually, we tried to go around this bend, trying to get him to walk it off, and he collapsed again. The waves started crashing in and me and my friend had to carry Jeff back onto shore as we realized the tide was coming in.
A few hours later, the effects started to wear off and he was able to walk back to our campsite just fine. The other friend who took the shrooms did not experience paralysis, but he did have a lot of the same facial distortions as Jeff.
The fact that these things can happen is another reason everyone needs to be REALLY CAREFUL about where you are when you are hallucinating. You don't know if you are going to be able to control your body. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, you will want to make sure you are in a safe place. Peace.
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: Parisian_goldfish]
#22561480 - 11/22/15 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is commonly used to treat certain types of acute movement disorders.
I don't think the cause is due to "histamine" in the wood-lovers. We don't know the toxin responsible or exactly how it works, but it is likely it has some affinity for the histamine receptors, and/or interferes with dopamine-modulated movement.
If the H1 blockers like Benadryl work as treatment, it is very likely that the H2 blockers (cimetidine (Tagamet), ranitidine (Zantac), famotidine ( Pepcid ) will work as well, with less sedation.
Benadryl (H1 blocker) and all three of the above H2 blockers are available over the counter. I would like for you PNW guys to try this out and report back with your findings.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7556545
From Wikipedia on diphendyramine (Benadryl):
As a potent antagonist to acetylcholine in muscarinic receptors, diphenhydramine is used to treat Parkinson's disease-like extrapyramidal symptoms caused by antipsychotics. The muscarinic receptor antagonism leads to correction of levels of dopamine, the neurotransmitter responsible for control of motor function in the brain, similar to the effect of other antimuscarinic agents such as atropine.
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: VedicSoma]
#22562668 - 11/23/15 09:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also had my first experience with WLP this year. I am accustomed to heroic doses with cubensis and therefore decided that it would be good to try 5g of dried cyanescens from this years haul. I have taken cyans before with none of these strange side effects; this time, however, during the comedown, well passed the peak, I experienced first a weird "jumping effect" in my vision where the center of focus in my vision would seem to spontaneously jump away from where I was commanding it to be, disorienting and blurring my vision. Then I experienced "clipping" of the energy in my legs - it was like the signal to walk or stand would flicker out, causing a lot of difficulty with walking (this effect went away when I would just sit down). And finally, there were weird twitchy contractions around the muscles that controlled the mouth that made regular speech difficult. This all went away within an hour or so and after a beer.
For what it's worth, I am a long time tai chi practitioner and I am therefore aware of the meridian channels of energy in the body - this has always informed my mushroom trips (working with energy flows). There was definitely an interruption in those channels that run through the elixer fields down through the legs and out the feet. I am used to these chi flows being stable and solid (they are what hold you upright when you are walking) but I could feel that they were "flickering" or "clipping," almost the way electricity does when a lightbulb is flickering. Not a complete paralysis, but a rapid, erratic on/off flickering of the chi.
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
#22562677 - 11/23/15 10:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible that this is caused by overly mature cyans? Someone posted up there that the cyans they ate were blackish and I know that before this experience I was less careful with the cyans I was picking, so it is possible that I had some less-than-perfect cyans mixed in my dose. It might be an irrelevant variable, but since then I have been careful to only pick the healthiest looking specimens. Does anyone have an opinion?
Perhaps one experiment within our grasp might be: those of us who experience WLP could try doses with only specimens that we are positive weren't decomposing anywhere (no black spots etc) and see if we still experience WLP
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: Parisian_goldfish]
#22563054 - 11/23/15 12:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Parisian_goldfish said:
I guess I'll weigh in with my experience here.
A few years ago, i went out with some friends to the WA coast for a camping trip (pun intended ). While most of us took LSD, two of my friends ate some mushrooms they had purchased. We were told they were cyanescens but they looked really black and not really much like cyans IMO. Anyways, one of my friends ended up experiencing paralysis much like you guys are talking about.
3 of us were on the shore while the other guys went to explore. My friend, who I'll call Jeff, was just starting to experience the loss of control in his legs. He would try to stand up and his legs would collapse like jelly. It started to scare us pretty quick because we didn't know what was wrong with him. In addition to this, he was also getting weird facial contractions where his mouth would distort similar to a mentally disabled person. Eventually, we tried to go around this bend, trying to get him to walk it off, and he collapsed again. The waves started crashing in and me and my friend had to carry Jeff back onto shore as we realized the tide was coming in.
A few hours later, the effects started to wear off and he was able to walk back to our campsite just fine. The other friend who took the shrooms did not experience paralysis, but he did have a lot of the same facial distortions as Jeff.
The fact that these things can happen is another reason everyone needs to be REALLY CAREFUL about where you are when you are hallucinating. You don't know if you are going to be able to control your body. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, you will want to make sure you are in a safe place. Peace.
 
sorry but that is one of the funniest stories I've read in awhile!
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: Eclipse3130]
#22563105 - 11/23/15 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A friend of mine got this one time. We had to drag him home and lift him into his bed. He was fine the next the day.
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22563240 - 11/23/15 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think we will find a definitive answer without some scientific studies. It definitely doesn't sound like a good thing and pray it doesn't cause damage. I have picked 200gs dried this year from 5 different patches. My plan is, from what I have read is as follows:
1. Remove all blackened or spotted caps with a fine tooth comb.
2. Grind up all 200 grams into a powder and mix throughly as to spread any toxins and infections over the 200 grams to dilute them.
3. Boil doses in water for 5 minutes to destroy toxins caused by bacteria and virus' like botulism.
4. Take or add some natural anti-histamine plant to tea like stinging nettle.
This will reduce toxin levels that may be high in some shrooms and not in others. Boiling will eliminate botulism possibility. And adding an antihistamine may reduce histamine response.
What do you guys think?
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: Eclipse3130]
#22564993 - 11/23/15 07:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said:
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Parisian_goldfish said:
I guess I'll weigh in with my experience here.
A few years ago, i went out with some friends to the WA coast for a camping trip (pun intended ). While most of us took LSD, two of my friends ate some mushrooms they had purchased. We were told they were cyanescens but they looked really black and not really much like cyans IMO. Anyways, one of my friends ended up experiencing paralysis much like you guys are talking about.
3 of us were on the shore while the other guys went to explore. My friend, who I'll call Jeff, was just starting to experience the loss of control in his legs. He would try to stand up and his legs would collapse like jelly. It started to scare us pretty quick because we didn't know what was wrong with him. In addition to this, he was also getting weird facial contractions where his mouth would distort similar to a mentally disabled person. Eventually, we tried to go around this bend, trying to get him to walk it off, and he collapsed again. The waves started crashing in and me and my friend had to carry Jeff back onto shore as we realized the tide was coming in.
A few hours later, the effects started to wear off and he was able to walk back to our campsite just fine. The other friend who took the shrooms did not experience paralysis, but he did have a lot of the same facial distortions as Jeff.
The fact that these things can happen is another reason everyone needs to be REALLY CAREFUL about where you are when you are hallucinating. You don't know if you are going to be able to control your body. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, you will want to make sure you are in a safe place. Peace.
sorry but that is one of the funniest stories I've read in awhile!
oh it's funny to all of us now when we talk about it lol. like the time i lost all the color in my vision and passed out on my friend. terrifying at the time, hilarious in hindsight
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Re: HELP! Getting to the bottom of "Wood Lovers Paralysis" [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
#22599857 - 12/01/15 04:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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justanotherhuman said:
Is it possible that this is caused by overly mature cyans? Someone posted up there that the cyans they ate were blackish and I know that before this experience I was less careful with the cyans I was picking, so it is possible that I had some less-than-perfect cyans mixed in my dose. It might be an irrelevant variable, but since then I have been careful to only pick the healthiest looking specimens. Does anyone have an opinion?
Perhaps one experiment within our grasp might be: those of us who experience WLP could try doses with only specimens that we are positive weren't decomposing anywhere (no black spots etc) and see if we still experience WLP
I'm also guilty of eating iffy to more than iffy cyans when this happened to me. I read on one or two threads that bacteria is a possible culprit. I also got mine at a public park and was thinking maybe the garden got sprayed or something with pesticides?
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