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Achillita
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Mushrooms are Safer than Water 1
#21879223 - 06/30/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys, So if you didn't know, mushrooms are physically safer for you then water. The LD50 of water is actually lower than psilocybin. I'm a bout to head out, but when I get back, I'll post the science and sources and whatnot behind my claim.
I made this thread mainly because every once and a while, people(noobs mostly) will be scared of any physical dangers from using psychedelics. I figured out a little bit ago that it's actually safer than drinking water. So maybe it'll help a few noobs out.
Feel free to comment or voice opinions. See ya in a bit guys!
Here is the reasons why psilocybin is safer to water, with sources.
The LD50(dose it'd take for 50% chance of dieing) for water is 90 ml/kg.(Source) Since 1 ml of water weighs 1 gram, I'll be using grams as I can compare it to the weight of psilocybin.
Psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, has an LD50 of 280 mg/kg(Source) according to erowid(which is very credible). These LD50s are both on rats, which is very comparable to humans.
If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 grams, A little over 6 liters of water. At the same time, it'd take 19,600 mg of pure psilocybin to have a 50% chance of dieing.
Now, pure psilocybin is pretty hard to extract. It's actually easier to synthesise it. So if we add the extra weight of the actual mushrooms(dried of course), it goes drastically up. The average amount of psilocybin in P. Cubensis mushrooms is about 1%. If each gram has 10 mg of psilocybin, that means it'd take 1,960 grams of mushrooms. Almost 2 Kilograms, your stomach would burst before you ever even reached that amount.
Mushrooms are physically safer for you than Water.
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Edited by Achillita (07/01/15 12:54 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21879238 - 06/30/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yep. I think you would burst your stomach before you could consume enough mushrooms to poison your self.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21879244 - 06/30/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
#21879285 - 06/30/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
Yep but someone always seems to bring it up. I guess toxicity is the only measurement of safety
Cars must be super toxic since so many people die using them!
Like another poster once said in these silly threads comparing the LD50 of water to drugs, "eat 100g of water, then eat 100g of cubes and tell us which you think is safer."
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21879321 - 06/30/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive heard if mushrooms being safer than milk.. Buttt water?? Fuckk mee.
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Achillita
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21879330 - 06/30/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course mental instability is a possible side effect, and usually caused from a deeper problem in the psyche. Whenever mental health problems are brought up by using psychedelics, it is almost always pre-existing but underlying. Suicide usually falls into this category.
But physically, mushrooms are safer than even water.
crap I was gonna go into the LD50 of both, but I gots to go.
And even considering the possibility of suicide on mushrooms, the death toll from water overdose is surprisingly high. I'll go into more detail in a bit.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita] 1
#21879351 - 06/30/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you think this hasn't been discussed before in the 12 years I've been a member here.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman] 4
#21879367 - 06/30/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Soo eating a shit storm of fresh shooms would kill you from the water content first.
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Toadstool5
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Do you think this hasn't been discussed before in the 12 years I've been a member here
Fo real! Or by every damn chemistry/med undergrad and drug "activist" on the planet.
Psilocybin containing mushrooms are far more dangerous than water.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21880200 - 06/30/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course it's been talked about, but I've been seeing quite a few noobs around here worrying about the possibility of them overdosing on mushrooms or other psychedelics. And if there are noobs asking the question, then there are probably tons of lurkers wondering it aswell, so I thought I'd make a post.
Anyways, I'll be quoting data from reputable sources to back my claims.
The LD50(dose it'd take for 50% chance of dieing) for water is 90 ml/kg.(Source) Since 1 ml of water weighs 1 mg, I'll be using milligrams as I can compare it to the weight of psilocybin.
Psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, has an LD50 of 280 mg/kg(Source) according to erowid(which is very credible). These LD50s are both on rats, which is very comparable to humans.
If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 mg, A little over 6 liters of water. At the same time, it'd take 19,600 mg of pure psilocybin to have a 50% chance of dieing.
Now, pure psilocybin is pretty hard to extract. It's actually easier to synthesise it. So if we add the extra weight of the actual mushrooms(dried of course), it goes drastically up. The average amount of psilocybin in P. Cubensis mushrooms is about 1%. If each gram has 10 mg of psilocybin, that means it'd take 1,960 grams of mushrooms. Almost 2 Kilograms, your stomach would burst before you ever even reached that amount.
Psilocybin is actually less toxic than water is. I also updated the OP.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21880236 - 06/30/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought the LD50 was the amount it took for half of the rats to die, not "50% chance of dying"
someone correct me if im wrong
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21880241 - 06/30/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That sounds like the same thing. 50% of the rats died. So 50% chance you'd die if you took a dose equal to the amount the rat took compared to body weight. I guess anyway haha
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Achillita
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Yeah, 50% of the test subjects died at this dose. Since you can't really pick which one was on what side, You have a 50% chance of it being lethal.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21880461 - 06/30/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol water kills alot of people. Never seen people drown in shrooms. Water killz.
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Never seen people drown in shrooms.
You have obviously never been to portland oregon
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21880553 - 06/30/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so when water, i give mushroom?
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21880643 - 06/30/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I thought the LD50 was the amount it took for half of the rats to die, not "50% chance of dying"
someone correct me if im wrong
That is correct.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: BayerPhi]
#21880869 - 06/30/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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when you start getting into the 20 gram range of cubensis it seems the physiological load on your brain and body can start to be pretty rough. it seems like seizures and other traumatic bodily events become far more likely when you start eating that much. I've read a lot of trip reports where people consume that much and overheat/pass out and occasionally straight up seize. the effect on your mental state from driving yourself that far off the deep end seems like it can also be quite dangerous long term. the argument that physical overdose is the only real worry is a bit silly
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21880883 - 06/30/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
#21881417 - 07/01/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
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nicechrisman said: So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
This is not the point man you can die from drinking to much water, it is damn near physically impossible to eat that many mushrooms to die period plain and simple. Not every one eats mushrooms but most people drink water and there have been many casualties. Not the same can be said about mushrooms from over consumption.
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