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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? * 1
    #21341905 - 02/28/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Just letting you guys know...


I just did an extraction. The tek called for 60 grams of ACRB and 55 grams of Lye(and so on). I only had 28 grams of Lye left, so I thought "fuck it, ill try it anyway".

To my surprise...I got the best pulls I ever extracted. Not only did I get the most quantity, but its also completely pure. I always got about 50% red stuff...but this is just pure DMT.

Does anyone think this happened due to the little amount of Lye I used? Or did I just get lucky?


edit: oh yeah, and instead of freeze-precipitating for 12 hours, I let the DMT stay in the freezer for about 36 hours. There was still DMT left in the leftover naptha. Next time, I will let it freeze for 4-6 days to see how it that goes.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #21341995 - 02/28/15 08:57 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

guys this is fucking amazing im pulling the purest DMT without 1 speck of redness to it...theres a TINY bit of yellow to about 20% of it but that's it. Not at all any tint of red. Im pulling fucking piles of it just off 60g...not piles but ATLEAST LITERALLY double the amount I was pulling before. This is nuts!

I really think im onto something here. I will never use more than 30g of lye to every 60g of acacia. Im going to experiment with even lower amounts of lye. Im going to try 20g of lye to 60g of ACRB next week.

im very excited...to say the least :rockon:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21342022 - 02/28/15 09:05 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Your yield isn't going to change that dramatically just with less lye. Change anything on the acid boils? Get new bark? (bark quality is a HUGE, if not the biggest factor)

50g lye in a 50-75g extraction "bases the fuck" out of the solution. You really only need to add lye until the mixture goes black, so yes you can use a lot less than what the tek calls for. A lot of lye cuts back on the chance of emulsion and you can't really over base but lye is caustic so less you use is usually better. Your tek calls for 50g to componsate so noobs without the proper equipment to check pH and such can still get xtals


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #21342058 - 02/28/15 09:14 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

I'd also like to add that another factor why you got a better yield is because you freeze precipated it longer. I found out that 12 hours isn't enough. If you freeze it for 24 hours+, more crystals will form and it won't melt.


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Kinshino]
    #21342492 - 02/28/15 10:36 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Title says:
"Maybe a new DMT extraction theory"


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: beta_knight]
    #21342517 - 02/28/15 10:40 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Bill is at the for front of DMT research.
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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #21342532 - 02/28/15 10:43 AM (9 years, 21 days ago)

I guess.


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: beta_knight]
    #21343420 - 02/28/15 01:58 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

I usually freeze precipitate for 24 hours or so. I did everything exactly the same...same bark..same everything. the only different thing was the amount of lye, and an added few hours in the freezer.

I got double the amount of DMT and I didn't get 1 single drop of red DMT. Like I said, I usually get 50% red stuff. And like I said, theres more DMT in the leftover naptha, like usual. That's how I know its not because of the extra freeze-time.

You guys can poke fun at me all you want, but im never following a tek that requires 50+ grams of lye per 50g or so grams of bark.



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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

Edited by Bill_Oreilly (02/28/15 02:06 PM)

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21343560 - 02/28/15 02:41 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Good for you, Bill.
I'm just razzing ya bc  of your last couple threads regarding DMT.
If you really think you are on to something I'd suggest adding a control group and using various amounts of lye to determine your optimal ratio.
Good luck man!

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #21344435 - 02/28/15 04:21 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

It'd be nice if we could treat each thread as their own and leave everything unrelated, out of the picture.

But hey I don't control people so do what ya want :shrug:


that's just another small reason why this site is on the back-end of its prime.


edit: and regarding the OP...what got me excited was the clear as day Potency increase. A higher yield is something I don't really care about because I could just do more extractions. I know, I could just do re-X's as well, but im not so great at it at the moment. I would much rather receive good ol' quality over quantity. As usual.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21345210 - 02/28/15 05:34 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Nice Bill! :thumbup:

looks like u found a sweet spot. A 1:1 ratio sounds way too high anyway, lye is a potent base, so less is more i guess :shrug:

Let me know if u find a super sweet spot beyond what u have already, soon i wanna get some ARCB and extract my own DMT. I really wanna experience the wonders of breakthru land and learn all it can teach me. Am i ready? Im not sure, but i wanna visit this mysterious DMT land soon.

you make breakthrus sound so poetic. Its very inspiring.


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21345283 - 02/28/15 05:47 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Bill you still using the tek that I think you're using?

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Mescalitoe] * 1
    #21345311 - 02/28/15 05:54 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Yup.

The only thing I ever changed was the amount of lye. You should try it. Im eager to see the results of others. Trust me..i bet you guys wont be disappointed.

Oh and LC...I love you, brother  :makesmecry:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21345358 - 02/28/15 06:08 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Love u too brotha Bill :hug:

You're the perfect psychedelic voyager ive always wanted to know. And now i do! Even if just online.

You've changed my psychedelic life for the better. your far-away friend, LC :awethumb:

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21346295 - 02/28/15 10:32 PM (9 years, 20 days ago)

Im going to have to give it a try sometime next week if I get a chance.
I'm also wondering how you get red DMT? Could it be from the bark? The past 3 extractions I've done have all given me white/yellow fluffy powder. My first couple extractions that went wrong gave me red goo but I haven't seen it since  :shrug:

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #21346946 - 03/01/15 06:43 AM (9 years, 20 days ago)

The red DMT I believe is from using so much Lye. That's why I didn't get any red DMT when I used about half the amount of Lye the tek calls for.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21347314 - 03/01/15 09:17 AM (9 years, 20 days ago)

Hardly new and hardly a theory. Naphtha? Get out of here with that bullshit. If you are merely ingesting with rue I guess its fine but FUCK smoking anything made from naphtha.

Your yields are cleaner and better due to the longer freeze precip that alots for more alkaloid to crash put cleanly without any tannins or lignin present. Varying the base only determines how well the initial mix gets slacked and broken down. This would lower your yield if you got a ph below the threshold of the pka needed to liberate the alkaloidal mix. Most teks call for excessive base to make sure you get a slacked mix.


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #21347354 - 03/01/15 09:29 AM (9 years, 20 days ago)

I do a/b stb and other plant alkaloid extractions professionally on up to 20 kilos at a time of varying species . I am on the edge of designing industrial equipment that will make it easy to extract large amounts of plant material with a semi-automated process. Naphtha is in my professional opinion, disgusting and it saddens me that people can be elucidated by dmt and still not give a fuck enough about themselves and the planet to forgo using naphtha.


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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #21347368 - 03/01/15 09:33 AM (9 years, 20 days ago)

I doubt it. I have freeze-prec. for 4 days before and I still got red sticky DMT.

The only time I didn't get red DMT is when I cut down on the lye.


And this thread isn't about naptha, man. Its about LYE. Why are you so obsessed with naptha?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Maybe a new DMT-extraction theory? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21347395 - 03/01/15 09:38 AM (9 years, 20 days ago)

The more you base the more rapidly plant material gets broken down, the more tannins and other components end up in your yield. Getting closer to ideal basification to just pull alkaloids and not tannins and lignin can improve the quality of yields.  I understand that when writing a tek most authors would rather not have the reader fail by using too little base ao they call for excessive amounts. It can always be adjusted as needed for improving yields.


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