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Offlinezzripz
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what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism?
    #20402266 - 08/11/14 04:42 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism?

Thoughts please?

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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: zzripz]
    #20402294 - 08/11/14 05:10 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

one has doctrines, the other doesn't.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: chaos]
    #20402337 - 08/11/14 05:43 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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chaos said:
one has doctrines, the other doesn't.




examples?

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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: zzripz]
    #20402356 - 08/11/14 06:01 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Atheism : There is no God or divine being. Beliefs about the universe usually based on latest scientific findings. Since there is no afterlife, this one life is of great importance. Only humans can help themselves and each other solve the world's problems.

Satanism: sometimes agnostic sometimes atheist, they have 9 sacraments I believe, practice in a church and also have a book

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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: natzyshroomer]
    #20402443 - 08/11/14 07:04 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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natzyshroomer said:
Atheism : There is no God or divine being. Beliefs about the universe usually based on latest scientific findings. Since there is no afterlife, this one life is of great importance. Only humans can help themselves and each other solve the world's problems.

Satanism: sometimes agnostic sometimes atheist, they have 9 sacraments I believe, practice in a church and also have a book

Religionfacts.com




So you are claiming that you can have two forms of Satanism a) gnostic Satanism and b)atheistic Satanism?

YET you claim BOTH these forms of Satanism share a belief and ritual of '9 sacraments' 'practice in a church' and 'a book'?

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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: zzripz]
    #20402633 - 08/11/14 08:33 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

The most crazy part is mainstream fundie parents sending their children to Lady Gaga concerts.

Satanism and mainstream religions seems to go hand-in-hand, creating the religion they've likely rewritten over time, "Good" and The Evil.

Nature in itself, is likely neither good or bad and so goes for humans aswell. There's purity/honesty and lack of honesty. Nature just is.

Satanism = blood money worshipping in modern capitalistic quantity (the masses) society - This is EVIL. Also belief in Satan or satanic cult worshipping. This is EVIL and delusional on par with mainstream fundies. Unless either is true, I'd like to see evidence.

Atheism = Lacking faith and or belief in God or gods. No position or stand-point towards God or gods, this obviously includes satan and satanism. Irreligious.

There's absolutely NO connection between satanism and atheism. None whatsoever. Infact, mainstream religious fundies who believe in satan or hell create fear - This is EVIL without direct evidence.

That said, there are good mainstream religious people, quality peaceful intellectual people. I would estimate about 5% of mainstream religious, keeping their belief to themselves in harmony.

I believe most peaceful buddhists/jainists can be excluded from mainstream religions.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #20402647 - 08/11/14 08:35 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Satanism = blood money worshipping in modern capitalistic quantity (the masses) society - This is EVIL.

The masses include most big shot money men, presidents and kings/queens ala. Goldman Sachs CEO/Rotschilds etc., Obama, Queen of England etc.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #20402691 - 08/11/14 08:45 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

There's absolutely NO connection between satanism and atheism. None whatsoever. Infact, mainstream religious fundies who believe in satan or hell create fear - This is EVIL without direct evidence.

I've semi-threatened with this word on some occasions. I would consider myself one of the more peaceful, albeit cold and rationale people in modern society. The word hell frightens me so much, it's easy to slip up and use it as a death-anxiety shield.

I hate the word hell. And people should not say "go to hell" or I want you to go to hell. Children get broken to pieces at young age if they hear such words.

The message behind satanism is extremely hostile for young children and weaker humans.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #20402733 - 08/11/14 08:58 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: GhettoShroom]
    #20402736 - 08/11/14 09:00 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Hit me with your rhythm stick.

Meaning: come at me with arguments, instead of using your dick.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: natzyshroomer] * 1
    #20402742 - 08/11/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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natzyshroomer said:
Atheism : There is no God or divine being. Beliefs about the universe usually based on latest scientific findings. Since there is no afterlife, this one life is of great importance. Only humans can help themselves and each other solve the world's problems.

Satanism: sometimes agnostic sometimes atheist, they have 9 sacraments I believe, practice in a church and also have a book

Religionfacts.com




I think you're (once again) mistaken about atheism.

They claim there is no evidence for a god and not that there is no god.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Icelander]
    #20402871 - 08/11/14 09:31 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Also atheism has nothing to do with science. Nada. Nichts. Zilch. Bupkis.

I don't know why we have spilled so much electronic ink over this word. We have wasted hundred and hundreds of posts discussing a simple concept outlined clearly in the dictionary.

Time better spent solving problems in the middle East or putting a man on Mars.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #20403123 - 08/11/14 10:34 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I hear they are going to fake a mars landing. It will be a great day for America when we finally accomplish that ahead of the Russians and Chinese . :imspecial:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (08/11/14 10:38 AM)

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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Icelander]
    #20403189 - 08/11/14 10:53 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I thought 'Mission to Mars' with Tim Robbins was a documentary about the first space flight to The Red Planet.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #20403265 - 08/11/14 11:17 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism?

Satanists believe Satan exists the same way Jews believe god exists.

Atheists, however, have ZERO opinion on the existence of Satan, since there is no evidence, the same way they have zero opinion on the existence of pink unicorns, since there is no evidence.

In other words, atheists DO NOT say god (or unicorns) do not exist. They have no opinion of any kind on silly, child-like beliefs that make no sense given available evidence.

Why is this so god damned hard for some people to get? It's fucking weird. Anyone who insists unicorns are real and they have a personal relationship with one would get locked up in a psych ward. But if they use the word god, nobody bats an eye. :cuckoo:

Try substituting the word "unicorn" for the word "god" in a believer's prose, and the absurdity of their belief becomes glaringly obvious. So why not the word "god".


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Diploid]
    #20403328 - 08/11/14 11:46 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

My perception is that most Satanists and mainstream Satanism views Satan as an archetype of carnal knowledge and rebellion rather than a supernatural being.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Rahz]
    #20403353 - 08/11/14 11:53 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I have satan sheets. :yesnod:


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Diploid]
    #20403661 - 08/11/14 01:17 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism?

Satanists believe Satan exists the same way Jews believe god exists.

Atheists, however, have ZERO opinion on the existence of Satan, since there is no evidence, the same way they have zero opinion on the existence of pink unicorns, since there is no evidence.

In other words, atheists DO NOT say god (or unicorns) do not exist. They have no opinion of any kind on silly, child-like beliefs that make no sense given available evidence.

Why is this so god damned hard for some people to get? It's fucking weird. Anyone who insists unicorns are real and they have a personal relationship with one would get locked up in a psych ward. But if they use the word god, nobody bats an eye. :cuckoo:

Try substituting the word "unicorn" for the word "god" in a believer's prose, and the absurdity of their belief becomes glaringly obvious. So why not the word "god".


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Diploid]
    #20403701 - 08/11/14 01:25 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Why is this so god damned hard for some people to get? It's fucking weird.



In a world like this, fear is not weird.


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Re: what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism? [Re: Diploid] * 1
    #20403926 - 08/11/14 02:09 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
what are the main differences between Satanism and Atheism?

Satanists believe Satan exists the same way Jews believe god exists.



This is true of theistic Satanism, which is a small minority position within Satanism.  However, most Satanists follow the atheistic tradition of Anton LaVey.  As Peter Gilmore, the current head of the Church of Satan, puts it, Satanists are atheists first who then decide to become their own god.  If you follow the teachings of the Satanic Bible, it's basically Ayn Rand's philosophy with rituals.  LaVey himself pretty much said as much.  And that's why I don't much care for Satanism.  Not so much because of the Satan part, but because of the Ayn Rand part (let's be real, though: Ayn Rand is Satan).


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