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 Kickle
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 The real tragedy of life 
#20161583 - 06/20/14 10:07 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
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Tmethyl
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Kickle]
#20161653 - 06/20/14 10:25 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think that's true for most. You cannot love fully without some sort of letting go, or awakening.
And thus many go to the grave having never really lived.
Worse yet, some are aware of this and continue their normal ways.
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Kickle]
#20161706 - 06/20/14 10:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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What does it mean to love?
I imagine it's some type of satisfactory state of being and isn't that all we strive to be, even in our sicknesses?
So I am suggesting all we do is love 
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: cez]
#20161757 - 06/20/14 10:51 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would define love as the complete absence of judgement.
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Tmethyl]
#20161783 - 06/20/14 10:57 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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We don't judge what we know.
What we know often isn't love.
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Kickle]
#20162634 - 06/21/14 03:47 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
Discuss
It is tragic, but like any tragic story it can also be very beautiful if it really touches you, if you really care then the tragedy of it all silences you, stills you, breaks you open, and when you break open love shines through you, so at least then something good comes of it
It is absolutely incredible how much love we have within us, and how desirable or undesirable interactions with things dictates how much of it we allow to come through
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Kickle]
#20163213 - 06/21/14 09:25 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
Discuss
They never loved. Not as men anyway.
I watched very interesting Documentary the other day. A Naturalist raised a brood of wild turkeys from eggs and let them imprint on him and then lived with them in the wild for over a year. They all developed distinct personalities. To cut to the chase as regards this thread one of the turkeys he called "little brother" once the parent child bond was broken took to him like a true brother and even after all the others had left he stayed and hung with this guy in the wild. They did everything together like true best bros and developed and almost cosmic communication of wants and needs between them. It was pretty amazing. But what happened one day is telling. He said one day they were just hanging and the bird got a strange fierce look in his eye and then just attacked him full on. Injured him seriously before he could get a branch and bean the turkey which then ran off never to be seen again.
To explain this behavior one only needs to understand that when the male turkeys reach sexual maturity they fight, sometimes to the death, for access to the females for breeding. 
This is really all you need to know about anything to understand the workings of all creation and the part "love" plays in the scheme of things. If you think it's not true for humans you really haven't been paying attention.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Chronic7]
#20163217 - 06/21/14 09:27 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
The Chronic said:
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Kickle said:
"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
Discuss
It is tragic, but like any tragic story it can also be very beautiful if it really touches you, if you really care then the tragedy of it all silences you, stills you, breaks you open, and when you break open love shines through you, so at least then something good comes of it
It is absolutely incredible how much love we have within us, and how desirable or undesirable interactions with things dictates how much of it we allow to come through
Nonsense imo. See my above post. If there was all his love and it had any power then it would rule and it don't.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Icelander] 1
#20163721 - 06/21/14 11:35 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
Kickle said:
"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
Discuss
They never loved. Not as men anyway.
I watched very interesting Documentary the other day. A Naturalist raised a brood of wild turkeys from eggs and let them imprint on him and then lived with them in the wild for over a year. They all developed distinct personalities. To cut to the chase as regards this thread one of the turkeys he called "little brother" once the parent child bond was broken took to him like a true brother and even after all the others had left he stayed and hung with this guy in the wild. They did everything together like true best bros and developed and almost cosmic communication of wants and needs between them. It was pretty amazing. But what happened one day is telling. He said one day they were just hanging and the bird got a strange fierce look in his eye and then just attacked him full on. Injured him seriously before he could get a branch and bean the turkey which then ran off never to be seen again.
To explain this behavior one only needs to understand that when the male turkeys reach sexual maturity they fight, sometimes to the death, for access to the females for breeding.
This is really all you need to know about anything to understand the workings of all creation and the part "love" plays in the scheme of things. If you think it's not true for humans you really haven't been paying attention.
Turkeys don't have the cognitive abilities humans do. While it's true that everyone has impulses, and that sexual impulses are extremely strong, I don't see why self-control couldn't be employed by human beings for an abstract principle, such as social harmony, "love", etc etc. I don't think anyone has a perfect track record, but continuing to practice and strive for that ideal is what is honorable.
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Social harmony seems to be a period in which the pecking order is temporarily settled (bird pun intended).
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Icelander]
#20163759 - 06/21/14 11:46 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
Kickle said:
"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
Discuss
They never loved. Not as men anyway.
I watched very interesting Documentary the other day. A Naturalist raised a brood of wild turkeys from eggs and let them imprint on him and then lived with them in the wild for over a year. They all developed distinct personalities. To cut to the chase as regards this thread one of the turkeys he called "little brother" once the parent child bond was broken took to him like a true brother and even after all the others had left he stayed and hung with this guy in the wild. They did everything together like true best bros and developed and almost cosmic communication of wants and needs between them. It was pretty amazing. But what happened one day is telling. He said one day they were just hanging and the bird got a strange fierce look in his eye and then just attacked him full on. Injured him seriously before he could get a branch and bean the turkey which then ran off never to be seen again.
To explain this behavior one only needs to understand that when the male turkeys reach sexual maturity they fight, sometimes to the death, for access to the females for breeding.
This is really all you need to know about anything to understand the workings of all creation and the part "love" plays in the scheme of things. If you think it's not true for humans you really haven't been paying attention.
This is why I like eagles. They drown trying to catch a fish. Much better.
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Icelander
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Quote:
Penelope_Tree said:
Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
Kickle said:
"The real tragedy of life is not that men perish, but that they cease to love."
Discuss
They never loved. Not as men anyway.
I watched very interesting Documentary the other day. A Naturalist raised a brood of wild turkeys from eggs and let them imprint on him and then lived with them in the wild for over a year. They all developed distinct personalities. To cut to the chase as regards this thread one of the turkeys he called "little brother" once the parent child bond was broken took to him like a true brother and even after all the others had left he stayed and hung with this guy in the wild. They did everything together like true best bros and developed and almost cosmic communication of wants and needs between them. It was pretty amazing. But what happened one day is telling. He said one day they were just hanging and the bird got a strange fierce look in his eye and then just attacked him full on. Injured him seriously before he could get a branch and bean the turkey which then ran off never to be seen again.
To explain this behavior one only needs to understand that when the male turkeys reach sexual maturity they fight, sometimes to the death, for access to the females for breeding.
This is really all you need to know about anything to understand the workings of all creation and the part "love" plays in the scheme of things. If you think it's not true for humans you really haven't been paying attention.
Turkeys don't have the cognitive abilities humans do. While it's true that everyone has impulses, and that sexual impulses are extremely strong, I don't see why self-control couldn't be employed by human beings for an abstract principle, such as social harmony, "love", etc etc. I don't think anyone has a perfect track record, but continuing to practice and strive for that ideal is what is honorable.
"I don't see". There you said it but the facts are there when you want to do so. Where is all the great effect of these cognitive abilities? They have led us to where we are now. You've given me evidence in private that you do not want to see what you do as wrong do it but instead would rather justify your behaviors so you can continue on your merry way. Well multiply that by billions.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Icelander] 3
#20164199 - 06/21/14 02:12 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, I forgot that twisting what I said and appealing to turkey behaviors is a trump card.
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Icelander
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That's not all you've forgotten or never knew I'm guessing.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Icelander]
#20164536 - 06/21/14 03:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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One merry way times eight billion =
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Icelander
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Chicago! Am I right?
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Icelander]
#20164764 - 06/21/14 04:25 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Detroit - although Chicago is only slightly behind.
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Icelander
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I almost said Detroit but I had heard they had leveled it and were growing GMO corn flakes there now.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (06/21/14 05:01 PM)
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Icelander]
#20164960 - 06/21/14 05:14 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I almost said Detroit but I had heard they had leveled it and were growing GMO corn flakes there now.
Now there IS a tragedy.
OC still thinks Tony The Tiger is GRRRREEEEAAATTT, so be advised.
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Re: The real tragedy of life [Re: Kickle] 1
#20165203 - 06/21/14 06:22 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think the real tragedy is ungenerous appraisals of each other..
not that humans are but turkeys but rather that there is so much more to turkeys than we could have imagined.. why that poor turkey must have driven itself wretched combating those urges twisting it against its companion and life love.. poor bugger probably never forgave himself.. wandering the prarie plains lost and alone, looking up to that indifferent sky and tilting its head, just as it did as a hatchling to solicit affection from its big brother, and now feeling not a drop love returned.. ah but the memory, the memory alone is enough to draw strength to carry on, carry on.. at least for now
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Edited by quinn (06/21/14 06:34 PM)
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