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 Nature Boy
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 Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? 
#20024889 - 05/22/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was perusing a variety of web sites today and at the Cactus-Art site I found the following quote with regard to peyote cacti. So, my question is, is this true??? Cultivated (as opposed to wild) peyote have little to no alkaloid content???
"Cultivated plants have only traces of the alkaloid present in wild harvested plant and their “psychedelic” effect are minimal or completely absent, but they still cause nausea, vomit, headache."
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Nature Boy]
#20024933 - 05/22/14 12:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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modern.shaman posted up a paper a while back that relates to this. Some interesting reading!
*NEW ARTICLE* Published Report Shows That Grafted Lophophora Remain Active And Other Issues Debunked
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Oscillographic polarography has been applied for the mescaline and pellotine estimation. These alkaloids produce in 0.5 N NaOH electrolyte a sharp peak within the cathode region of the oscillogram, each of them showing different potential. It makes possible to estimate them at a concentration of 5.10(-6) g/ml. All the forms of Lophophora williamsii were found to contain mescaline and lower content of pellothine, L. jourdaniana--to have equal content of both alkaloide, L. diffusa and L. fricii--to contain pellotine and only traces of mescaline. Plants grown in the greenhouse accumulated the same amount of alkaloids as native plants. Grafting on rootstock which does not produce essential amount of the alkaloids, does not affect the ability of Lophophora to synthesize mescaline and pellotine.
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Nature Boy
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#20025154 - 05/22/14 01:53 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, bro. Read both the thread and the paper (well, the abstract anyway) as that was all that was available. Interesting findings...logically consistent.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Nature Boy]
#20025180 - 05/22/14 02:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The myth is perpetuated amongst many cacti growers over here and I have seen mention on other cacti forums too, but there is never anything offered up beyond the "common knowledge they don't produce alkaloids out of habitat" claim. It is also said of poppies too 
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#20025292 - 05/22/14 02:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The myth is perpetuated amongst many cacti growers over here and I have seen mention on other cacti forums too, but there is never anything offered up beyond the "common knowledge they don't produce alkaloids out of habitat" claim. It is also said of poppies too
Don't forget coca, too. Those rumors probably started to dissuade people from growing illegal plants.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Maito]
#20025317 - 05/22/14 02:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The myth is perpetuated amongst many cacti growers over here and I have seen mention on other cacti forums too, but there is never anything offered up beyond the "common knowledge they don't produce alkaloids out of habitat" claim. It is also said of poppies too
Don't forget coca, too. Those rumors probably started to dissuade people from growing illegal plants.
^this
Edited by djmattz0r (05/22/14 02:39 PM)
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Maito]
#20025329 - 05/22/14 02:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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...illegal plants.
This sir is an oxymoron.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: ferrel_human]
#20025395 - 05/22/14 03:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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...illegal plants.
This sir is an oxymoron.
If only everyone saw it this way the world would be so much better.
Ferrel for president!
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Maito]
#20025405 - 05/22/14 03:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ferrel for president!
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: 5is]
#20025497 - 05/22/14 03:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ferrel for president!
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: brianstequila]
#20025731 - 05/22/14 04:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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All plants legal.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: brianstequila]
#20025991 - 05/22/14 05:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ferrel for president!
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: theMallacht]
#20026137 - 05/22/14 05:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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More like an awful rumor that encourages wild poaching and the destruction of a species...
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: theMallacht]
#20026286 - 05/22/14 06:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: karode13]
#20027142 - 05/22/14 09:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. I love you too.
Edit- but seriously folks. I dont think genetics change. Water bloated cacti, obviously, will be less than hard grown plants. I think its really dumb thing to say that one is more potent than the other when given the right conditions a cultivated peyote could be as potent as wild ones.
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Edited by ferrel_human (05/22/14 10:17 PM)
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: ferrel_human]
#20027923 - 05/23/14 12:33 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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It may have something to do with the fact that poison arrow frogs, for one, loose their poisonous slimy coat in captivity due to the fact that it is a product of something they eat in habitat and don't have in our terraria. That and the will to discourage those damn drug addicts that will stop at nothing to get high combines to create the myth.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: LSoares]
#20028470 - 05/23/14 04:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The last thing I want to do is perpetuate a myth! Besides, I just wanted some reassurance that all the time, money and effort I've invested in raising my "ariocarpus" from seed was not in vain.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: Nature Boy]
#20028611 - 05/23/14 06:11 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The last thing I want to do is perpetuate a myth! Besides, I just wanted some reassurance that all the time, money and effort I've invested in raising my "ariocarpus" from seed was not in vain.
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The endeavor of growing such a magnificent specimen is never in vain. Like the cannabis plant, this can also be a teacher and a healer.
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Re: Cultivated Lophophora alkaloid content. Low to NONE?? [Re: karode13]
#20031193 - 05/23/14 04:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ferrel for president!:rockon:
Got my vote.
Edited by lol98xlol98 (05/23/14 04:52 PM)
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