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h0106r4m4
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Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?)
#20012496 - 05/19/14 11:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just found these this days... and feel really edible, so, whanted to confirm with you guys... any idea, thougths, or sugestions? may be recognition?
Habitat: Where does it grow? found in pasture and under trees, in valley of rari, Region del maule, chile, at lat 35°47",near the mountains lap What does it grow on? soil, also between the grass
Gills: Pink gills
Stem: Length 1-3 in, diameter half inch, white colored (yellowish stains), soft texture, solid, thick
Cap: Diameter 1-2,5 in, white color (yellowish stains), soft texture, spherical, convex
Spore print color: not yet..
Bruising: no.
Other information: Scent of the mushroom tasty...
large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.
Happy hunting...
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RiparianZoneJunky
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4]
#20012513 - 05/19/14 11:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait for a trusted identifier before you eat any, they might be something awesome like Agaricus subrufescens, or they might be something toxic, I'm not solid enough on agaricus to tell you for sure. Do they have a distinctly almondy smell like marzipan, a plain dirt and fungus smell like store brought mushrooms or a really strong, almost chemically mushrooms smell?
Also, where are they staining yellow, just that little bit on the cap or all over with real bright yellow on the stem? The may just be something toxic in the A xanthodermus group.
Edited by RiparianZoneJunky (05/19/14 11:29 PM)
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potfaceguy
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4]
#20012529 - 05/19/14 11:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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If it doesn't smell phenolic-like then it should be alright. But the yellow bruising doesn't bode well. Some yellow bruising Agaricus can be edible, some non-yellow bruising Agaricus can be poisonous. Wait for the TI's to chime in.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Crush a little bit of the base in your hand and smell it. What does it smell like?
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potfaceguy
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RiparianZoneJunky said: Also, where are they staining yellow, just that little bit on the cap or all over with real bright yellow on the stem?
The seventh pic shows yellow spots of staining on the stems. Probably A. xanthodermus
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: potfaceguy]
#20012548 - 05/19/14 11:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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potfaceguy said:
Probably A. xanthodermus
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Byrain
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: potfaceguy]
#20012649 - 05/20/14 12:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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potfaceguy said: A. xanthodermus
I'm not sure if that species occurs in Chile, but yea, its close, nothing else that I know of has that hilighter yellow staining reaction.
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Feelers
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: Byrain]
#20012715 - 05/20/14 12:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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In this pic you can see the yellow coming through from under the skin of the cap near the edges, which is similar to my xanthodermus experience.
OP - these could very well be poisonous, I found a reference that indicates that xanthodermus does occur in Chile. http://eol.org/pages/1030008/literature
Don't eat them.
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h0106r4m4
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: Feelers]
#20016083 - 05/20/14 05:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey all Thank you very much for your replies, I still have them on a plastic bag , waiting for your appreciation... they smell pretty like the ones you buy on the market, A. bisporus, actually looks very like it...
Should I take more pictures? dissection?, spore print?
Still "craving" them....
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Blue-FunGuy
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4]
#20016258 - 05/20/14 05:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't eat those if I were you! You should listen to what the others and myself are saying,don't be stupid!
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h0106r4m4
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Blue-FunGuy said: I wouldn't eat those if I were you! You should listen to what the others and myself are saying,don't be stupid!
If I were stupid I'd tell yo already how they taste... What I'm saying here is...
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maynardjameskeenan said: Crush a little bit of the base in your hand and smell it. What does it smell like?
They smell tasty, like the ones you buy, like the mycelium of the psylobe "matias romero", sweet mushroom, nothing disgusting... almost bite them smelling the nice smell from the cap, deep sniffs remembering the old nice cake of mycelium...
and the yellow it's just a bit in some of them...
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o8u
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4]
#20016650 - 05/20/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some people can't smell the phenolic odor of Agaricus sect. Xanthodermati. You may be one of them, but the odor is said to multiply during cooking. Some people are also apparently immune to the effects of the toxin in these mushrooms. I wouldn't gamble with the poisonous effects, but they won't kill you. According to wikipedia they are sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps. Severe stomach cramps are absolutely awful and can be very painful.
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h0106r4m4
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: o8u]
#20016941 - 05/20/14 07:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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o8u said: Some people can't smell the phenolic odor of Agaricus sect. Xanthodermati. You may be one of them, but the odor is said to multiply during cooking. Some people are also apparently immune to the effects of the toxin in these mushrooms. I wouldn't gamble with the poisonous effects, but they won't kill you. According to wikipedia they are sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps. Severe stomach cramps are absolutely awful and can be very painful.
Yeah, I also read the wikipedia... but my nose is not so bad... also, some local here said that people used to eat them... but.. should I trust? or just toss them?
I trust more in the experts here, but... Is anyone shure they're the bad ones?
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Feelers
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4]
#20017410 - 05/20/14 09:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't touch these with a barge pole.
I had flatmates that woke me up once to tell me they'd eaten these because they looked like field mushrooms. They hadn't eaten much and the afternoon was spent watching TV with them farting/burping and generally feeling nauseous. They obviously didn't notice the phenolic smell either, apparently it can be quite mild.
Was the person familiar with eating them aware of the yellowing? Because I can't see any reason they aren't xanthodermus - the cap bruising and base bruising are the hallmarks, and you have both.
I also found conclusive proof that Agaricus xanthodermus is found in Chile from the Biodiversidad de Chile... (which as an english speaker was difficult!).
I'd just say "Tóxico"
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h0106r4m4
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: Feelers]
#20017616 - 05/20/14 10:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup, also, found this... http://hongos.cl/libro_fungi_austral.pdf
and it list a Agaricus Arvensis that look very much like the one I have...
Don't take me wrong, I appresiate very much your consern, and I want nothing less than a acurrate identification... wouldn't like to lose a nice meal...
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h0106r4m4
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4]
#20017676 - 05/20/14 10:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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h0106r4m4 said: Yup, also, found this... http://hongos.cl/libro_fungi_austral.pdf
and it list a Agaricus Arvensis that look very much like the one I have...
Don't take me wrong, I appresiate very much your consern, and I want nothing less than a acurrate identification... wouldn't like to lose a nice meal...
Something else, for the interested people, the yellow in the A. Xanthodermus apears when you touch it? Cause, the ones I have, came with the yellowish stains, and some I touch a lot, and didn't showed any change...
I said at the beginning:
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h0106r4m4 said:
Bruising: no.
Thinking on some fried garlic, a bit of onion, and... some delicious A. Arvensis...
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Byrain
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: h0106r4m4] 1
#20017695 - 05/20/14 10:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You could try cooking a very small amount and seeing how it smells, tastes, and reacts with you. You won't poison yourself badly from small amounts, worst case you might feel little off or sick. If you do this, make sure to save several herbarium specimens so that your experience can prove useful to others.
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Feelers
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: Byrain]
#20018025 - 05/20/14 11:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe 100% that this is xanthodermus.
The horse mushroom goes slightly yellow, OP's are bright yellow. The horse mushroom also has a spiked tuft pattern around the veil before it breaks, which is one of the ID'ing features. OP also stated that it smells mushroomy, Arvensis smells like almonds or liquorice.
OP - if you slice open a stem at the base you will see how yellow it goes. They are definitely not the horse mushroom based on the pics and information you provided.
If you eat them - it's your own fault.
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Description of Yellow Stainer poisonous mushroom
The Yellow Stainer (Agaricus xanthodermus) is the most commonly ingested poisonous mushroom. This species commonly grows wild in lawns and gardens, and looks very similar to edible mushrooms. Characteristics include:
Mushrooms grow on the ground in clusters, often clumped or in fairy rings Mushrooms range from 50–200mm in diameter.
The cap is usually white, but can become brown with age.
The cap of young mushrooms looks a little square.
When damaged, the cap and stem stain yellow, fading later to a dirty brown.
The mushroom gives off a chemical odour, like disinfectant, iodine or kerosene. The odour is more intense on cooking.
If eaten, symptoms include abdominal cramps, nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea (usually within 30 minutes to 2 hours of consumption). Less common symptoms include headache, dizziness, sweating and drowsiness.
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Feelers
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: Feelers]
#20018105 - 05/20/14 11:51 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Although if you do decide to eat them(which I again state is a terrible idea), please come back and tell us how it went. Apparently some people can eat these without getting sick, although I've not seen anyone stating they've personally eaten them without issues.
It's not against the Hippocratic oath to carry out potentially harmful experiments on yourself, so after being adequately forewarned feel free to advance our knowledge on the issue. Good luck!
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h0106r4m4
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Re: Chilean Salad contestor... (edible?) [Re: Feelers]
#20021196 - 05/21/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, I'm writing this post for the 3rd time, cause of some contamination on my old computer that keeps freezing...
Anyway... I woke up this morning with the idea of showing you all how right I was and shut all of your mouths (should I say fingers?... Sorry, back to topic...) So I took some pictures of the state of the mushs for the record...
And I was very exited to be eating my very first wild picking...
Then I started by trying one bite to the stipe... (actually tasty, you know...) so, I took the whole stipe...
And I'm dead now... Just kidding...
Then prepared my stuff, and bring to the kitchen... Started preparing the garlic, onion, carrots, potatoes.. and... finally, at the glorious moment of being washing and trimming the volva from one of the mushis... I noticed the horrifying truth...
YOU WERE RIGHT !!! When I cut the stipe with the knife, I saw the bloody staining yellow...
and almost at the same time, some mild discomfort in the stomach almost unnoticeable, but very like the one you feel when the "trip" is starting to kick off... but a little more painfull (mostly in the pride)... made some tests to see if there where mixed kinds of mushis, but all turned to be A. Xanthodermus...
So I finally toss them out, and made some pumpkin for lunch with some chapati from the organic brown flour we produce here...
And I Want to thank very much to all of you that took the time to look at this post, the pictures, and even take action to give feedback... Can not stress enough how much I appreciate it, and thank it... It was for your help that I was able to recognize the YS and saved my guts from some hard time... If I'd have only tried the looks from the book I have, I wouldn't be much for being typing right now... So. Thanks!! For the concern. For the expertise. And for the community support...
Finally, and sorry, for not doing this before, but.. you know.. the mushs where roting fast... So I introduce myself now... I'm from (as you know) central Chile, Crazy, anarchist, psykonaut, shamanic medicine taker, Pro-Planetary organization activist(TVP & TZM), Permaculturist, eco-villager, meditator, energetic psicologist-terapist, polyamorous activist, Do it yourself kind, loving and risk-taker, 31 year old, soon to be a new grower for the community.
You are wellcome to visit any time you like, and well be in touch... (I'll be posting future pickings, from the pine forest nextdoor...)
In-Lak-Ech
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