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Refreshing Atoms
#19974378 - 05/12/14 12:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You do not have the same atoms that you were born with, nor even the ones from ten years ago. So as atoms recycle, refresh within brain and the body, and an individual consciousness, supposedly a secondary effect of complex wetware, does not follow this cycle, so than what is consciousness dependent upon again? if we are essentially completly remade at the atomic level every near Decade or so, it seems undependent upon the material For its existence to be continued, perhaps what we know as reality, our material body may be depwndent upon consciousness to exist. As well as age, despitw new atomss in renewal the body still ages, as if theres an invisible essence that remains you throughout age, you still feel this essense your whole life.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx]
#19974395 - 05/12/14 12:36 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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So perhaps past thoughts create future atom particularities
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx] 3
#19974407 - 05/12/14 12:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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so than what is consciousness dependent upon again?
My rigid, aging wetware miraculously knows when to use 'then' and when to use 'than'. As if somehow mastering the Secrets of the Universe is simpler than mastering basic grammar.
Any first year physics student knows that all atoms of a given type are exactly the same thus substituting one atom for another will naturally give the exact same effect. This 'Duh!' Moment has been brought to you our very own self-indulgent pathfinder blazing new trails into fairly well-understood territory.
Just a reminder: 'perhaps' and 'maybe' are the wishy-washy keywords of those with nothing of substance to offer.
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98% renewed every year. Meaning after 100% you are basically a different perSon inside.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx]
#19974462 - 05/12/14 01:15 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why am I not surprised that identical atoms are identical would be beyond your ken?
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Identical but due to the yearly "shedding" and the such, nearly, all your cells and even amino acids within the body..and the body itself, is changed, slight subtle changes too once established body/mind atomic arrangements/structures are remade..
Neurogenesis (catalysed by certain psychedelics, deep brain stimulation , meditation,,,etc) is the birth of new brain cells, ketamine seems to have a slight neurogenesis ascribed to its effect as well as being a miracle anti-depressant which rewires/creates new nueral connectioms/circuits and the brain protectant, cannabis, as well acts as a stimulant for neurogenesis as well.
THE above information is all mostly factual and shows one example of how drugs are like little accelerator pads to evolution, and if used correctly and in controllex environmens, may have be seen as another Wild *doubt this*, but possible, as To actually consciousy alter ones brain structure towards a not so improved or improved state, mentally and with physical Attributes such as new neural connections amongst newly formed neuronš, new muscles from working out (only the strong survive as the weaker muscules adapt with natural selection and build)
So, the shaman? A mutant, a person who does these things with the intent of improving mental function and structure and for his entire tribe, as shaman becomes the medicine man, the go to guy and spiritual/mental/physical counsel for his people. A very astute position and one with many responsiblities..he goes from a nobody peasant too his village leader, all thanks to a little self~directed evolutionary leap of understanding.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx]
#19975979 - 05/12/14 12:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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hTx said: So as atoms recycle, refresh within brain and the body, and an individual consciousness, supposedly a secondary effect of complex wetware, does not follow this cycle, so than what is consciousness dependent upon again?
The emergent form.
Edit: Although I don't agree with the idea that consciousness is "dependent" on it.
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What is the reason we replace 98% of our entire bodies atomic structure in less than 24 hours?
Anyone?
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx]
#19976160 - 05/12/14 12:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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hTx said: What is the reason we replace 98% of our entire bodies atomic structure in less than 24 hours?
Anyone?
They prefer casual to committed relationships?
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If you replace every part of your car with a nearly identical part, amazingly you still have the same make and model and it will still perform car functions. This is proof that cars have consciousness.
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The thing is, that .00001% that never changes is the basic structure "code" that tells what to put where. But yes, that is why it is important to surround yourself with positivity. Negative environments can be... well, negative good topic to reflect upon
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: j_db69]
#19978653 - 05/12/14 09:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The thing is, that .00001% that never changes is the basic structure "code" that tells what to put where.
Not even close.
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But yes, that is why it is important to surround yourself with positivity.
Huh? Non sequitur and no reason given. Double-fail.
And why we should eat raspberries.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx]
#19978874 - 05/12/14 10:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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hTx said: What is the reason we replace 98% of our entire bodies atomic structure in less than 24 hours?
Anyone?
They prefer casual to committed relationships?
sounds about right.
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You haven't really offered any evidence nor a very good argument for that statement.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx] 1
#19978994 - 05/12/14 10:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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hTx said: For its existence to be continued, perhaps what we know as reality, our material body may be depedent upon consciousness to exist.
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You haven't really offered any evidence nor a very good argument for that statement.
True, just speculation, to debate this would lead us nowhere really.
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I think you meant every year.
Atoms are taken into our bodies every day. These are used to fuel us and keep us alive. The cells use them to regenerate and replicate.
yeaaah your right wow i dont know where i got 24 hours from haha that would have been pretty fucking ridiculous/mind-blowing. still pretty amazing, imo, that 98% of all our atoms are replaced even at that rate..there is a 100% chance that 1000s of other humans through history held some of the same atoms that you currently hold in your body.
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Consciousness is dependent on all those atoms being formed into molecules and fueling the body (material) to keep cells alive and working. These cells all work together in certain ways to cause consciousness to arise. Your heart doesn't stop beating just because all the cells and atoms are replaced. The processes of metabolization, methylation, respiration, replication, etc, etc, are happening thousands of times every second. It literally IS consciousness, digestion, circulation, explained at a smaller scale. Our consciousness is adapted to sense and perceive reality in the ways it directly affects us. Meaning, we notice things that are happening in our timeframe and at our scale. Luckily, we can overcome this evolutionary bias to see atoms and also to understand how the universe unfolds over billions of years and vast amounts of space. We've figured out much about how other organs (liver, stomach, skin) function. And it's all been explained in a material sense. Why should I assume consciousness is somehow separate from every other bodily (material) process again?
The matter you now call “yourself” was once part of many different collections of atoms and molecules that went by different names.
when you look at a picture of “yourself” taken only seven years ago, you are looking at a body that no longer exists. Every single molecule that was present in the body shown in the photography is now gone.Yet you still exist. You are not gone. Now, since the body you had seven years ago no longer exists, yet you still exist, you must logically conclude that: (1) you were not the body you had on seven years ago, and (2) you are not the body you have on today.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx] 1
#19979274 - 05/12/14 11:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: DieCommie]
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Must happen all the time in real~time, the coming and going of atoms which compose us for whiles at a time.
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Re: Refreshing Atoms [Re: hTx]
#19979833 - 05/13/14 03:07 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok OC so what puts the replacements in place? They just fall into place, atom by atom, by what means?
They are not eaten and used for energy that is fucking retarded. If anything it is a controlled replacement by consciousness itself so as to slowly replace old atoms with new ones. (Old and new atoms sounds so ridiculous but you get the point. New to your presence.)
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