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Offlinehighfiveghost
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Cambo/China Tubs. Small Fruits? *UPDATE*
    #19540041 - 02/08/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

First monotub grow!

On 2/4 I inoculated:
-6 pint jars with Cambodian
-2 1/2 pint jars with Cambodian
-6 pint jars with Dancing Tiger
-3 1/2 pint jars with Dancing Tiger

After reading conflicting reports with soaking your grains in aged poo or coffee grounds/diluted coffee in order to boost colonization speed/growth I decided to conduct an experiment.

3 out of the 6 pint jars for both the Cambo/DT had WBS that was soaked in aged poo for 24 hours, and every 1/2 pint jar has WBS soaked in poo water as well. The other 3 pints were soaked in tap water.

I followed the fool proof wbs tek, and PCed for 90 minutes.
After a 6 year break, my jars were only slightly moist after PCing, but after a few shakes and sitting for a few days the moisture dissipated.

Here are some pictures of the grow so far:

View inside my TiT incubator
(F+ Agar & LC are in there as well)


These are the Cambodian Pints NOT SOAKED IN POO


Cambodian Pints & 1/2 Pints that were soaked



Dancing Tiger Pints NOT SOAKED IN POO


Dancing Tiger Pints & 1/2 Pints soaked in poo



While the Cambodian pints that weren't soaked in poo water have exploded in growth after only 4 days (3 of which were in an incubator), the pint jars that were soaked are showing much slower signs of colonization, and the 1/2 pints show almost no colonization.

The Dancing Tiger jars that weren't soaked in poo water are only a tad ahead of those that weren't. Same deal with the DT and the 1/2 pints though, they're showing little to no signs of colonization.

I've heard that Cambo was a fast/aggressive colonizer but I'm just surprised that 3 of the pints are already at 15-20% colonized after 3 days. I'll be shaking those 3 tomorrow so they can finish up faster, and will be spawned to a 58 qt monotub with 5 lbs of zoo manure.
I'm hoping that the aggressive colonization is healthy myc and not a contam, I'm working inside a still air box sprayed in lysol, but I've never made my own spore syringes before this, so ya never know.

I made some F+ agar plates, honey LC, and rye jars so I'll update them once those shows signs of growth. I decided to try a new spawn material, and have found that rye is a much easier, and more forgiving grain to work with than WBS, but that's just me. My rye jars came out with perfect moisture content, and none of the grain burst, unlike my WBS jars.

I'll be updating this pretty regularly so please stay tuned!

UPDATE 2/13/14

As I promised, here are some updates.
The 3 Cambo jars that weren't soaked in poo finished 2 days ago


These 3 were soaked, and are about 90%


These 2 DT's weren't soaked in poo and are about 90%


The 4 other DT's were just shaken today, so I'll post an update of those in a few days

3 1/2 pints of DT soaked in poo, SLOWWW


2 1/2 pints of Cambo soaked in poo
I'm planning on making these into GLC's tonight or tomorrow to knock up some more QT jars of rye berries!


The F+ was an utter failure, the QT jars, agar, and LC all did not colonize whatsoever. Maybe I got a bum print, or my techniques are off, but I might just be sticking to Cambo from now on.

First monotub will be spawned tomorrow!

UPDATE 2/16/14

1/2 Brick Coir
1 lb of Manure
2 Qts of verm
4 Qts of water
3 Qts of Cambo WBS





Final Result


and the wait begins  :justcantwait:

UPDATE 2/25/14

Here's the tub about 9 days later,
There's a stubborn spot in the back left corner, so I'm going to wait until the 14 day mark to put it into fruiting conditions.

Damn stubborn spot, I forgot to break up the poo all the way








UPDATE 3/2

So here's my tub so far, I plan on putting into fruiting tomorrow as I noticed a few pins starting to form throughout the tub







MS Spore Syringe, Inoculation to First Pins, 26 days. :thumbup:

I also have another tub that's 5 days into colonization, and a monobucket about 13 days into colonization. Another 12 QT jars of Cambodian, and about 700 ml of juicy Cam LC. Can't wait for this warm weather to start some outdoor beds!

Update 3/14

Had to toss that first tub due to a contam, it looked like it was going to have a great pin set but after 11 days only a few fruits came up and they eventually aborted. i spotted the contam yesterday and tossed it.

Anyway, here's two more tubs, and a monobucket.
I put one tub into fruiting about a week ago, and the other tub and bucket into fruiting yesterday. Here's some pictures!

Bucket Pins




Tub Pins



Now this tub I put into fruiting conditions after being 100% colonized, and an additional week for consolidation.
There was plenty of knots but after a week I only have this little guy and its buddy to speak for.


I'm just playing the waiting game to see if anymore pins come up, but it looks like I might just have to wait for the second flush to come up


3/19

My Cambo bucket has been fruiting for about 5 or 6 days now, and it's pin city but they're frustratingly small. The veil is breaking on one of them already and it's barely half an inch tall.  :enraged:




The China tub is doing a bit better. Fruits are at least getting to a couple inches before the veils are breaking.


The top Cambo tub is doing the best height and girth wise. These puppies are getting fat!


Some users have said substrate depth, improper moisture content, and genetics are to blame for small fruits. My bucket has a sub depth of 4.5" and my tubs have a depth of 2 to 2.5" at most. I'm gonna chock it up to genetics, but maybe my 2 other tubs colonizing will produce better.

Edited by highfiveghost (03/19/14 09:54 PM)

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Offlinehighfiveghost
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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19554894 - 02/11/14 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The 3 Cambodian jars that were colonizing the fastest got a good shake on the 8th and are 100% colonized on the 11th. I'll be spawning to bulk tomorrow, about 2 pounds of zoo poo. My question is will 1.5 quarts of spawn be enough for 7 liters of poo? I wasn't planning on cutting it with coir, but would a little gypsum really make that much of a difference?


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19554923 - 02/11/14 10:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're gonna want to throw in some gypsum. It's not exactly necessary, but it wouldn't hurt either; it just helps keep the acidity down to prevent contamination sooner rather than later.

Also, with 1.5qt spawn to 7qt poo your colonization will just be a little bit slow, but no more than about 1.5-2 weeks since you'll be using a smaller container. Just make sure you pasteurize it properly and you shouldn't need coir, though I would still throw in gypsum if you're gonna do just poo.


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19616217 - 02/25/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Update Above!


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19618098 - 02/25/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is that spot in the corner still uncolonized?


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #19618604 - 02/25/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the stubborn spot is almost colonized
other than that the tub is at 100%


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19619269 - 02/26/14 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well technically if it's not colonized then the tub isn't at 100%.. Just give it a little more time, you don't want any uncolonized substrate before you go into fruiting.


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #19637507 - 03/01/14 11:33 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

That makes sense, the tub is definitely at 100% now, with pins forming throughout the tub. 26 days from inoculation to pins!


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19696256 - 03/14/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

pin pictures!


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19696319 - 03/14/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Looking good, but just so you know, you don't consolidate tubs for more than a day or two unless your spawn:substrate ratio is über low.

Did you stuff your holes after taking pictures through them too?


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #19696393 - 03/14/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

The bucket had 4 quarts of spawn to 9 quarts of coir/poo/verm
The two monotubs each had 3 quarts of spawn to 10 quarts of poo/coir/verm, so it was about a 1:3 ratio for the two tubs which is why I let one of the tubs consolidate for a week. the other tub started pinning about 12 days after i made it, so it didn't need any consolidation. i just popped it into fruiting conditions. that one tub however just didn't look like it was doing anything and i heard high co2 levels is necessary for knots to form.

I replace the polyfill each time the pictures are taken, and I have the top ones loose with the bottom ones a little tighter because i had humidity issues when the bottom ones were loose.


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19696401 - 03/14/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Good FAE is necessary for knots and pinning, which is why you weren't seeing anything in that second tub. Even with a 1:3 ratio you'd probably only need like 3 days to consolidate anyway.

Also, always keep your bottom holes tight to maintain humidity and adjust your top ones to adjust FAE.


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #19696420 - 03/14/14 06:37 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Tacomandood said:
Even with a 1:3 ratio you'd probably only need like 3 days to consolidate anyway.



Consolidation is not necessary for bulk.

Fruit at 100%.

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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: PussyFart]
    #19696429 - 03/14/14 06:40 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

But it's a good idea to give it some time since there's not as much spawn in it. Just what I heard from a few regulars on here. I never consolidate myself; always been told to fruit right at 100%.


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #19696442 - 03/14/14 06:43 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Tacomandood said:
But it's a good idea to give it some time since there's not as much spawn in it. Just what I heard from a few regulars on here. I never consolidate myself; always been told to fruit right at 100%.



We only consolidate heavily nutritious substrates, like BRF cakes.

Using less spawn means there is less nutrients, so consolidation is even less important.

We consolidate cakes for a week at least because they are very high in nutrition.

In bulk a majority of the nutrients come from the spawn, not the substrate.

Edited by PussyFart (03/14/14 06:44 PM)

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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: PussyFart]
    #19696468 - 03/14/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Ok, then the guys I saw discussing it were way off haha. Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it man.


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #19696500 - 03/14/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

thank you for clearing that up PussyFart :thumbup:
i was confused whether or not i screwed up my one tub for letting it consolidate, rather than fruiting immediately, but i just noticed a few pins more have popped up since i've taken those pictures.

the bucket and tub that i put into fruiting conditions at 100% had no consolidation period. they started forming knots at around 85-90% and had around 3 or 4 baby pins growing at 100%. i fruited them yesterday, and today i have a few dozen clusters of pins forming nicely in each one. can't wait to these babies grow!


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19721339 - 03/19/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 12 days ago)

update! small fruits :enraged:
a bit disappointed, but at least i didn't grow any contams!


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: highfiveghost]
    #19721545 - 03/19/14 10:52 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Yea, I'd say that's just genetics. You win some, you lose some. :shrug:

Good looking pinsets though. :thumbup:


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Re: Cambodian/Dancing Tiger/F+ Grow Log [Re: George Sears]
    #22146765 - 08/26/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

nice grow bro! thanks for sharing!

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