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 so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now 
#19363979 - 01/03/14 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear they are going to pay "bums" an extra .30 an hour or some shit
can you imagine? Pot prices will go up to $50 a 1/16th an ounce, and bums will now use the floor to sleep on.. sleeping on the ground, a luxury provided by achievers who's taxes paved the streets that bums sleep on 
Oh man, does anyone actually buy into this crap? 
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Confucian]
#19364084 - 01/03/14 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19309525/fpart/all
I really don't want to reference other threads, considering it could be considered bringing "beef" into the pub. But just in case I didn't sum up quite clearly the way I see what others think into this thread. Apparently "some people" see minimum wage increases are a way to justify the injustice in this country, of allowing the hard work that the wealthy do, to be raped by the lower class citizens.
For example, let me do a poll, I guess I need a STAL option for those who can't just SAY undecided
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel] 1
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I hear they are going to pay "bums" an extra .30 an hour or some shit
Why do you consider people who work minimum wage jobs "bums"? At least they are working 
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: MisterSandman]
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I hear they are going to pay "bums" an extra .30 an hour or some shit
Why do you consider people who work minimum wage jobs "bums"? At least they are working
I don't. I agree. We aren't all gifted with the ability to make "investments." For those who don't have tens of thousands to finance their own business, working hard is as good as it gets.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19364101 - 01/03/14 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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imachavel said:
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MisterSandman said:
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imachavel said:
I hear they are going to pay "bums" an extra .30 an hour or some shit
Why do you consider people who work minimum wage jobs "bums"? At least they are working
I don't. I agree. We aren't all gifted with the ability to make "investments." For those who don't have tens of thousands to finance their own business, working hard is as good as it gets.
Wait, so then you are saying they are actually going to give homeless people money for nothing?
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19364107 - 01/03/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people just aren't worth minimum wage.
No-one other than the employer should decide what wage they will pay. No-one other than the employee should decide what wage they will accept.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: MisterSandman] 4
#19364109 - 01/03/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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dude, your poll fucking sucks. i have read your poll options like 3 times and i still cant really sort out what position each of them represents with respect to minimum wage laws. you need to remove your emotionally-charged bias if you want legitimate discussion.
anyway i am not sure what i think about this issue but one idea i have heard is eliminating the minimum wage entirely in order to return wage negotiation power to the employee. i don't know if it would work out well, though
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: MisterSandman]
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MisterSandman said:
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imachavel said:
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MisterSandman said:
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imachavel said:
I hear they are going to pay "bums" an extra .30 an hour or some shit
Why do you consider people who work minimum wage jobs "bums"? At least they are working
I don't. I agree. We aren't all gifted with the ability to make "investments." For those who don't have tens of thousands to finance their own business, working hard is as good as it gets.
Wait, so then you are saying they are actually going to give homeless people money for nothing?
who knows what the fuck this guy is saying? he seems angry about something and he needs to calm down and speak plainly if wants to have a productive discussion
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: MisterSandman]
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MisterSandman said:
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MisterSandman said:
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imachavel said:
I hear they are going to pay "bums" an extra .30 an hour or some shit
Why do you consider people who work minimum wage jobs "bums"? At least they are working
I don't. I agree. We aren't all gifted with the ability to make "investments." For those who don't have tens of thousands to finance their own business, working hard is as good as it gets.
Wait, so then you are saying they are actually going to give homeless people money for nothing?
Oh wait a minute, never mind, I get it. Ummmmm I mean, your pay should be determined on the quality of your work IMO, so I guess I'm kind of against a sweeping minimum wage, ideologically speaking at least.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: MisterSandman]
#19364125 - 01/03/14 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you lived off 7.65 per hour? People who work min wages jobs do the jobs you'd bitch and moan if you had to do them. I see zero problem with raising the min wage.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: morrowasted]
#19364127 - 01/03/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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speak plainly if wants to have a productive discussion
You'll grow old waiting for that to occur.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Mescalean]
#19364129 - 01/03/14 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you lived off 7.65 per hour? People who work min wages jobs do the jobs you'd bitch and moan if you had to do them. I see zero problem with raising the min wage.
Ummm yeah I have, I've worked several minimum wage jobs actually.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
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Some people just aren't worth minimum wage.
No-one other than the employer should decide what wage they will pay. No-one other than the employee should decide what wage they will accept.
And you've just gone back to the 1900s and the entire human history before it.
You do realize that the poor need money in order to by stuff which makes our economy stronger?
People who don't understand the need for a minim wage really need to take a finance class. Then again, these people are probably so biased by their beliefs that they wouldn't believe it even if a nobel prize winner told them.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
#19364143 - 01/03/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My county just raised the minimum wage to $8.40, with annual increases to $11.50 in 2017.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Mescalean]
#19364148 - 01/03/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescalean said:
Have you lived off 7.65 per hour? People who work min wages jobs do the jobs you'd bitch and moan if you had to do them. I see zero problem with raising the min wage.
I heard some people talking about raising it to $15 though and I think that is just plain ridiculous. Prices would skyrocket, and cost of living would go up, and that would sort of render the whole payraise pointless, wouldn't it? I'm not economist, this is just conjecture on my part.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
#19364155 - 01/03/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Some people just aren't worth minimum wage.
No-one other than the employer should decide what wage they will pay. No-one other than the employee should decide what wage they will accept.
And you've just gone back to the 1900s and the entire human history before it.
You do realize that the poor need money in order to by stuff which makes our economy stronger?
People who don't understand the need for a minim wage really need to take a finance class. Then again, these people are probably so biased by their beliefs that they wouldn't believe it even if a nobel prize winner told them.
You can find experts on both sides of the fence so your condescension is misplaced.
WTF? Do you think I just got up one morning and decided it's a good day to be against a minimum wage?
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Some people just aren't worth minimum wage.
No-one other than the employer should decide what wage they will pay. No-one other than the employee should decide what wage they will accept.
And you've just gone back to the 1900s and the entire human history before it.
You do realize that the poor need money in order to by stuff which makes our economy stronger?
People who don't understand the need for a minim wage really need to take a finance class. Then again, these people are probably so biased by their beliefs that they wouldn't believe it even if a nobel prize winner told them.
You can find experts on both sides of the fence so your condescension is misplaced.
WTF? Do you think I just got up one morning and decided it's a good day to be against a minimum wage?
No, you just failed to take in account the wellbeing of your fellow citizens
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
#19364227 - 01/03/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Some people just aren't worth minimum wage.
No-one other than the employer should decide what wage they will pay. No-one other than the employee should decide what wage they will accept.
People who don't understand the need for a minim wage really need to take a finance class. Then again, these people are probably so biased by their beliefs that they wouldn't believe it even if a nobel prize winner told them.
Pretty much. Morrow Asted wants me to have an un emotionally biased argument to discuss rationality against opinions from other threads such as "why are bums complaining, the streets are paved by the hard working wealthy classes taxes that bums get to sleep on."
Well, maybe nobody in this country starves, but let me tell you something. If you think that's because of legality, you are wrong. It's not legal to panhandle, it's not legal to loiter and sleep on the side walk. I I work day labour and need food for today and gas and food for tomorrow as well, and I get paid that day but need to pay for a motel, so how does this work? After taxes I get $50 just about, I need to get a motel room(which is hard to find for under $50 all together, and don't reference 80s motel prices), and get food and gas, and have it tomorrow as well, and that's IF I have a car?
And we are COMPLAINING about raising the minimum wage $1? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??!?!?!??
Let's do this, let's wake up and get real. I'm willing to be emotionally unbiased if others are as well. Here is the emotional un bias. Quit walking by crack heads who cause violence and sleep on the streets and bring your emotional hate of the crime ridden poor into this thread. We tried that "free market" crap, and it doesn't work. People don't negotiate "fairly" in business, and don't even act like they do. It's total BS
You want to get real? When the minimum wage goes up to $17 an hour I'm willing to hear your complaints. The idea that:
lower minimum wage = zero unemployment
and higher minimum wage = higher unemployment
Is just total garbage to me. There are lot's of countries without minimum wage that have tons of unemployment problems. In this country the rich have the right to fire whoever they want and still make billions. I don't want to sit here and pretend that it can get any more fair then that. They have ABSOLUTE POWER, the poor don't. A $1 extra an hour is no big deal minimum wage is supposed to meet inflation let me tell you inflation is at it's highest you can sell a painting these days for a hundred million.
I'm tired of technical perspectives giving me the idea to justify the phrase "those bums are sleeping on the streets that hard working millionaires taxes paid for", and really they are half assed perspectives at that. Really using extreme examples and ideology that an "employer" has the rights that an emperor has. No they don't, employers aren't politicians, they are the next people who will hire you. They may be idiots themselves, and aren't granted the same rights as kings and presidents and governors. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. They can deal with it.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: morrowasted]
#19364240 - 01/03/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you lived off 7.65 per hour? People who work min wages jobs do the jobs you'd bitch and moan if you had to do them. I see zero problem with raising the min wage.
I heard some people talking about raising it to $15 though and I think that is just plain ridiculous. Prices would skyrocket, and cost of living would go up, and that would sort of render the whole payraise pointless, wouldn't it? I'm not economist, this is just conjecture on my part.
People can "propose" whatever they'd like. Hell they can propose we go nuke Russia and China right now. That doesn't mean it will happen. Do you believe in this democracy that everyone fights so hard to defend that proposals should no longer be acceptable because of extreme case circumstances in which the proposal might lead to, well... maybe $25 an hour minimum wage?
Maybe we should outlaw "proposals" and just have like a socialist dictatorship type of government. Fair enough?
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