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 Precious Roy
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 Help! No guide to my purchased growbox 
#19222419 - 12/03/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fellow shroomers!
Since I received my Growbox/Fruiting chamber, both the set of instructions for it and the seller are no longer available. I've failed to successfully google similar set ups. You're my last hope!
This is what I have:
1 x growbox full of mushy stuff, (myc + substrate?)
1 x bag of "casing" containing brown earthy stuff, (vermiculite?)
(1 x Transparent bag/tent (I actually don't have this yet as the seller failed to include it))
I rushed through the instructions at the time I made the purchase, while they were still available, but my memory is terribly bad.
The only thing I know for sure, from having brief contact with the seller, is that the colonization phase is already initiated.
I would estimate that the growbox was created about ten days ago, I've had it now for about 5 days. The only thing I've done is keeping it within 23-27c.
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
I do have some questions lined up as well:
1 a. How long should I wait until taking the next step? (casing/water)
1 b. How can I tell when enough mycelium has penetrated the substrate? (hope I got that right)
2. Do I then fill up the box with water or do I just moist the casing and just put it on top of the box content? (Whatever this next step is, I remember the phase lasting between 8-16 hours)
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Precious Roy]
#19222457 - 12/03/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should include pictures of what you have.
To build a fruiting chamber that will work fine, search for SGFC HERE.
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Precious Roy
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: monoculture]
#19225263 - 12/04/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi monoculture,
Here are three pics
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Precious Roy]
#19225305 - 12/04/13 04:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats that black patch on the left side of it? Looks like mold from the pic.. if it is black mold that def needs to be discarded..
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: SamhainJ]
#19225439 - 12/04/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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what kind of mushrooms? that looks like trich to me or a severe bacterial contamination what does it smell like
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: twistedty]
#19225587 - 12/04/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it was called "Thai".
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Precious Roy]
#19225597 - 12/04/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Case it! Put it in a shotgun terrarium, monotub, or put that whole tray in a filter patch bag.
How much did you pay for that?
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Edited by Hashbuble (12/04/13 07:49 AM)
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Precious Roy]
#19225737 - 12/04/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashbuble, Do you mean I should moist the casing and put it on?
All of the casing at once? No filling up the box with water like other instructionals I've seen? (haven't seen one with casing though)
Should the lid be kept on when the casing has been applied?
Uncertainty is a bitch!
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Precious Roy]
#19225837 - 12/04/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apply the casing but keep it loose and fluffy, Don't pack it down! Lightly mist the casing with water. The mycelium will hydrate itself buy pulling moisture from the casing layer. So mist it, and then wait for the mycelium to hydrate and then mist again. Run a sterile fork through the casing layer to create valleys. Keep the lid on untill you see the mycelium popping up through the valleys, at this point I would take the lid off. To trigger pinhead formation, you need introduction to fresh air (taking the lid off), a drop in temperature, and the introduction of light.
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Hashbuble]
#19225875 - 12/04/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashbuble said:
Apply the casing but keep it loose and fluffy, Don't pack it down! Lightly mist the casing with water. The mycelium will hydrate itself buy pulling moisture from the casing layer. So mist it, and then wait for the mycelium to hydrate and then mist again.
This sounds good so far
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Hashbuble said:
Run a sterile fork through the casing layer to create valleys.
This is HIGHLY cautioned against. DO NOT SCRAPE UP YOUR SUBSTRATE WITH ANY SOUP SPOON/SALAD FORK. EVER.
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Hashbuble said:
To trigger pinhead formation, you need introduction to fresh air (taking the lid off), a drop in temperature, and the introduction of light.
I agree with most of what Hashbuble is saying.
Basically cover the cake with the "casing mix", LIGHTLY MIST, and then cover with the lid again UNTIL you see that the casing layer has become covered with white fluffy mycelium.
Once you see it become fully colonized, you can then take the lid off and move the cake to a fruiting chamber. As hashbuble suggested putting the cake into a "monotub" may work great. I have used small cakes in monotubs with success.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18840073
Good luck with your kit. If you enjoy the hobby you will quickly learn how to succeed without a kit. For education purposes, I highly advise research on "Spore printing" so that when you get caps, you can perpetuate your grows.
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Quote:
Hashbuble said:
To trigger pinhead formation, you need introduction to fresh air (taking the lid off), a drop in temperature, and the introduction of light.
Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years. Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: PussyFart]
#19225986 - 12/04/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Next time dont buy a grow kit
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
#19226118 - 12/04/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Big thanks to all of you for all your help!
I made the mistake of not reading this thread a second time before I messed up and jammed a fork into the substrate 
Anyway, the casing is now applied and the box is once again closed and sitting in the dark.
I will return with updates on my progress.
Cheers!
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Precious Roy] 1
#19226127 - 12/04/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never said jam a fork in the substrate, that would be bad! I said run a clean fork or spoon or whatever in the CASING to create valleys, which creates a microclimate with gas exchanges helping pinhead formation
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Hashbuble]
#19226135 - 12/04/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashbuble said:
I never said jam a fork in the substrate, that would be bad! I said run a clean fork or spoon or whatever in the CASING to create valleys, which creates a microclimate with gas exchanges helping pinhead formation
No, it actually just damages the mycellium.....we have known this for years.
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A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Hashbuble]
#19226163 - 12/04/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hashbuble said:
I never said jam a fork in the substrate, that would be bad! I said run a clean fork or spoon or whatever in the CASING to create valleys, which creates a microclimate with gas exchanges helping pinhead formation
A light and fluffy casing layer will provide all the proper conditions without possibly introducing contaminants with an added unnecessary step.
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Well, I use a non nutritious casing layer, so im not worried about contaminating it. Im am also not worried about contaminating a fully colonized substrate. As far as creating mountains and valleys in the casing for a microclimate works wonders for an even pinset. Paul Stamets taught me that
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Hashbuble]
#19226216 - 12/04/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashbuble said:
Paul Stamets taught me that
You are suggesting that introducing an unnecessary step will better your pinset. I have never used a fork. I have yet to have any issue with good pinsets, because a proper fruiting chamber will provide ideal conditions without worrying about the shape of substrates. Growing mushrooms taught me that.
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: Hashbuble]
#19226226 - 12/04/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashbuble said:
As far as creating mountains and valleys in the casing for a microclimate works wonders for an even pinset. Paul Stamets taught me that
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FrankHorrigan said:
You should disregard any tek and any member who recommends "scraping" or "scratching" the surface of the mycelium. This is bullshit misinformation that was disproven years ago.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18881040#18881040
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RogerRabbit said:
Thicker casings inhibit fruiting, and scraping a casing is always going to cause damage.
RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12285376#12285376
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RogerRabbit said:
it's far worse to scrape an uncased bulk substrate. It takes you from bogus to absolute destruction. Don't abuse your mycelium.
RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17051859#17051859
There responses are from the last 4 years....how long ago exactly did Stamets say this?
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Edited by PussyFart (12/04/13 11:32 AM)
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Re: Help! No guide to my purchased growbox [Re: PussyFart]
#19226245 - 12/04/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should read what I wrote a little more carefully. I DO NOT TOUCH THE SUBSTRATE! I AM NOT SCRATCHING OR DEEP SCRATCHING. Im simply applying the casing layer in even mountains and valleys.
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