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Doruirimescu
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P.Atrobrunnea and C.Cyanopus ID
#18698536 - 08/13/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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1.Atrobrunnea?
Habitat:Finland,coniferous forest Forgot to say,the caps are sticky. Smells like wet or rotten wood.
Spore print color:
Bruising:no
Pics
Getting dry:
Edited by Doruirimescu (08/16/13 11:25 AM)
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Doruirimescu
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18698576 - 08/13/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Might first one be atrobrunnea?
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Anglerfish
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18698617 - 08/13/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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First one looks like a Conocybe or maybe a Pholiotina sp.
Second is likely to be a Galerina sp.
Both finds would probably need microscopy to be identified to species.
They are also likely to be toxic.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18698646 - 08/13/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: First one looks like a Conocybe or maybe a Pholiotina sp.
Second is likely to be a Galerina sp.
Both finds would probably need microscopy to be identified to species.
They are also likely to be toxic.
The secund one looked just like this https://files.shroomery.org/files/12-42/080869465-168813.jpg which is listed as cyanopus on this site,while the first one lookes like the one from this post http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18690709/page/2
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18698675 - 08/13/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trying to identify these solely by comparing with other pictures is not sufficient.
You will at least have to wait for the prints to be ready, and please take pictures of them and share here. I'm quite sure they will turn out cinnamon to rusty brown.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18698676 - 08/13/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doruirimescu said:
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Anglerfish said: First one looks like a Conocybe or maybe a Pholiotina sp.
Second is likely to be a Galerina sp.
Both finds would probably need microscopy to be identified to species.
They are also likely to be toxic.
The secund one looked just like this https://files.shroomery.org/files/12-42/080869465-168813.jpg which is listed as cyanopus on this site,while the first one lookes like the one from this post http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18690709/page/2
They look similar. The first one has a different color on the stem, the scales on the stem are different, fibrils on the cap, different color gills, different color spore prints, and the kicker... no blue bruising.
The second one looks pretty freaking close, I'll give you that, but no bruising.
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domesticgnome
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You're looking for some pretty rare species, and getting close. Don't be down just cause your first try wasn't successful
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Anglerfish
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domesticgnome said: The second one looks pretty freaking close, I'll give you that, but no bruising.
I've never seen any active Conocybe sp. irl, yet judging from the macroscopic features presented in finds of among others MJK, Psylo and Knarkkorven, I fail to see the similarity. The tawny, seemingly fragile stem with fibrils near the apex are good signs for a Galerina sp.
If OP's main purpose is to trip, I'd say hunting for such rare and hard-to-id species is a waste of time. Note that none of the smithii/cyanopus hunters on here have yet dared to consume their finds, afaik.
I would of course encourage anyone to try and find these species, but not necessarily for consumption.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18698703 - 08/13/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Trying to identify these solely by comparing with other pictures is not sufficient.
You will at least have to wait for the prints to be ready, and please take pictures of them and share here. I'm quite sure they will turn out cinnamon to rusty brown.
Posted the prints
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18698709 - 08/13/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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domesticgnome said: The second one looks pretty freaking close, I'll give you that, but no bruising.
I've never seen any active Conocybe sp. irl, yet judging from the macroscopic features presented in finds of among others MJK, Psylo and Knarkkorven, I fail to see the similarity. The tawny, seemingly fragile stem with fibrils near the apex are good signs for a Galerina sp.
If OP's main purpose is to trip, I'd say hunting for such rare and hard-to-id species is a waste of time. Note that none of the smithii/cyanopus hunters on here have yet dared to consume their finds, afaik.
I would of course encourage anyone to try and find these species, but not necessarily for consumption.
Which ones should i try to find for consumption?
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18698718 - 08/13/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doruirimescu
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18699290 - 08/13/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doruirimescu said: Which ones should i try to find for consumption?
Psilocybe semilanceata
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18700075 - 08/13/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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domesticgnome said: The second one looks pretty freaking close, I'll give you that, but no bruising.
I've never seen any active Conocybe sp. irl, yet judging from the macroscopic features presented in finds of among others MJK, Psylo and Knarkkorven, I fail to see the similarity. The tawny, seemingly fragile stem with fibrils near the apex are good signs for a Galerina sp.
If OP's main purpose is to trip, I'd say hunting for such rare and hard-to-id species is a waste of time. Note that none of the smithii/cyanopus hunters on here have yet dared to consume their finds, afaik.
I would of course encourage anyone to try and find these species, but not necessarily for consumption.
I think that it might be this one http://www.shroomery.org/9598/Conocybe-kuehneriana-Conocybe-velutipes
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18700120 - 08/13/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doruirimescu said: I think that it might be this one http://www.shroomery.org/9598/Conocybe-kuehneriana-Conocybe-velutipes
In that case I think you should get your finds scoped.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18700149 - 08/13/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi OP,
I'd be EXTREMELY cautious of trying to identify LBMs (little brown mushrooms) by comparing with pictures, especially if you don't have a knowledge of mycology and are unaware of the pitfalls.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Tas75]
#18700662 - 08/13/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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The print for the first ones looks purple brown from my monitor. If that's the case,I want to say Deconica sp.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#18702644 - 08/14/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 is 100% not cyanopus . sorry. Is the first one bruising? Looks interesting. Spore print looks purple brown .
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Doruirimescu
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psylosymonreturns said: 2 is 100% not cyanopus . sorry. Is the first one bruising? Looks interesting. Spore print looks purple brown .
No,it s not bruising but the lower part of the stem did get some slight nuance of blue.I threw them anyway,dont think that someone ever tried to eat those.
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18707678 - 08/15/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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1. Am I the only one to see the faint bluing? (pic 5 and 7) The umbos and color are striking similar to Mikaels mushrooms from a few days ago that more looked more like atrobrunnea (or P. turficola which is the current name), but yours might be p. silvatica? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18690709
2. Like Anglerfish I think this is a Galerina.
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