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Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy??
    #18232973 - 05/08/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so iwas looking around and couldn't find a whole lot of (RELIABLE) info on how much potency there is in p.cubensis stems and how drying affects potency of p. cubensis!! How much potency is lost when drying and are the stipes really worth eating?


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18232994 - 05/08/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Yea it's worth eating the whole thing, I prefer shrooms that haven't been broken.

Drying reduced potency somewhat, but it's hard to say by how much. This depends on how you dry and for how long. But if they're dried properly they can stay quite potent for several months or more

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #18233032 - 05/08/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I only dry them by letting them sit on a piece of news paper or a paper plate for a few days them put them into ziplock baggies till use. I always separate the stems and caps (reason unknown) and dry them separately. So would eating a few g's of stems produce the same effects as that same amount of caps...and are my drying methods anything that could be improved upon? Thank for the info:thumbup:


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18233042 - 05/08/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

The quicker you dry them the less potency is lost.
You lose potency due to oxidization.


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18233048 - 05/08/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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The quicker you dry them the less potency is lost.
You lose potency due to oxidization.




What would you suggest as the best and quickest method of drying with the least potency loss?


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18233052 - 05/08/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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What would you suggest as the best and quickest method of drying with the least potency loss?



Get a dehydrator and run it on high.

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18233070 - 05/08/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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What would you suggest as the best and quickest method of drying with the least potency loss?



Get a dehydrator and run it on high.




^^this.
I run mine on 150F...cracker dry 10 oz in 16-18 hours.


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18233074 - 05/08/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Now im a little confused:confused: I thought that temps above 100 destroy the psilocybin!?!? Have i been misinformed?


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18233077 - 05/08/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Yes.

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18233087 - 05/08/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Temps above 100 are detrimental to your spores, so if you shoot up a jar that is over 100 it might kill your spores.

It isn't 100 degrees, I think it is a little higher. Not much though.

Not saying it will kill them, but it is good practice to make sure your jars are at room temperature

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: CoreyRubble]
    #18233100 - 05/08/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

We are talking about potency, not spores.

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18233108 - 05/08/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Potency loss due to heat happens at an extremely high temperature.
Which is why I can do a double boil alcohol extraction on fully dehydrated fruits.


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18233115 - 05/08/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

you say potency loss due to heat happens at high temps...how high of temps are we talking?? and also what else other them temp to high will cause potency loss?


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18233140 - 05/08/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Temps are extremely high. Not exactly sure, but it's high. Easily above 100C

Time between harvesting & being cracker dry will effect potency.


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18233153 - 05/08/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

The actives in mushrooms don't break down until FAR past 300F.

Psilocybin & Psilocin Chemistry

Use Heat!

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18233154 - 05/08/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

It's more a heat + time thing. You should definitely store them at the lowest temperature that's convenient. Heating them for a relatively brief period of time at reasonably hot temperatures, I've gone as high 160F, isn't going to have a noticeable effect on potency.


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18233166 - 05/08/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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We are talking about potency, not spores.




I know that, but he heard 100 degrees will kill psilocybin. Thought he might like to know it is that the 100 degree rule is for spores, not potency.

I guess I should have referenced potency in my post :blush:\

Sowwy haha

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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: CoreyRubble]
    #18233177 - 05/08/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I love you NAH420 and your corrections (not patronizing you)



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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: Kizzle]
    #18233179 - 05/08/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

So me letting them sit at room temp for 3-4 days till dry shouldnt hurt the potency too much.....correct??


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Re: Question about drying cubensis and stems/potentcy?? [Re: heathersman1983]
    #18233182 - 05/08/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

oxidation kills potency, so the shorter time the better.

Psilocin breaks down faster than psilocybin, there is less psilocin then psilocybin in cubes though

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