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 short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? 
#18142275 - 04/20/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have searched many times concerning short fat mushrooms but every time it seems to be answered that its due to genetics, but all of my pins form into fat mushrooms mostly about 1 x 3 inches. The veils tear at this size,some bigger some smaller.
There is myc on the base of the stipes so i think my humidity is fine.
I fan 6 times a day and mist each time,but they are not lanky so i think fae is fine.
I have no contams and temps stay from 68° to 72°f.
6 of my cakes are on second flush,re-dnr'ed and 5 on first flush.i cannot identify the different varieties due to a mishap with my labeling them during first dunk after birthing.
I have 3 cakes of Mazapatec, 3 of Brazillian, and 5 of Ecuador...but every cake is producing mushrooms in identical manners.short and fat.i am happy with yields so far but curious as to why they are so short and stout with veils tearing so early.can anyone tell me why they are growing this way?
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 Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18142306 - 04/20/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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You have classic cubes that are growing the way classic cubes grow in the environment you are giving them. They are probably short and fat due to the lower temps that you have, which probably means they will also be solid, which IMO is better than growing tall hollow ones.
Fuzzy feet is usually an indication of low FAE.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18142317 - 04/20/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im having the same problem on a few of my trays, I was starting to think it was because of low water content in the sub? not sure tho??
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18142326 - 04/20/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lower fruiting temps can result in small dense fruits,and higher fruiting temps can result in tall less dense fruits. Bump up the temp and Fae a little if you want the aesthetic pleasure of seeing tall mushrooms. However,there's nothing wrong with the small fat ones....often they weigh more than the tall skinny ones.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: goldcaphunter]
#18142351 - 04/20/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I also found a bunch of threads that say the short fatasses are a bit more potent, just what I read.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: first time expert]
#18142629 - 04/20/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Could be a lack of fae at the pinning stage giving you teardrop shaped pins
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: cronicr]
#18142756 - 04/21/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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"The veils tear at thiks size, some bigger, some smaller"
1st thought, low moisture in substrate.
Then there's the idea that your 3 varieties are all the same thing ?
Edit: you said cakes. Cakes don't typically push out monsters. They will but not usually.
Soak them down. Do they feel light at harvest?
Edited by Oeric McKenna (04/21/13 12:36 AM)
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#18143271 - 04/21/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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whats your final yeild for each cake, if your gettnig lots of mushrooms they are genearlly gong to be smaller. your 2nd flush will produce smaller but larger mushrooms and probably yeild roughly the same.
if your getting 50g or more on the first flush then i dont consider anything wrong. 50g is decent anything more is a bonus.
i was getting around 100g per cake, over 2 flushes. never bothered for a 3rd so just started again.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: veda_sticks]
#18146228 - 04/21/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would put pics up but cant do it from my phone, android...if anyone has advice on that issue that would help. .jpg files but it says there is an error uploading, wrong file type. I prob got 10 dry grams off first six cakes,but only had a few fruits,mostly off of just two of them. Its hard to tell because i have no scale.i will keep working on pics though. It says .jpg invalid file type (application/octet- stream)
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18148526 - 04/22/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its been broken for over a month for android phones
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#18148530 - 04/22/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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it might be something to do with the multiple file upload feature. depending on how its implented. some stuff doesnt work on mobile versions of flash and java
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18149753 - 04/22/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
xpxbxoxmxbx said:
I would put pics up but cant do it from my phone, android...if anyone has advice on that issue that would help. .jpg files but it says there is an error uploading, wrong file type. I prob got 10 dry grams off first six cakes,but only had a few fruits,mostly off of just two of them. Its hard to tell because i have no scale.i will keep working on pics though. It says .jpg invalid file type (application/octet- stream)
My android does the same thing,which sucks because it has decent phone camera.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18149967 - 04/22/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said:
You have classic cubes that are growing the way classic cubes grow in the environment you are giving them. They are probably short and fat due to the lower temps that you have, which probably means they will also be solid, which IMO is better than growing tall hollow ones.
Fuzzy feet is usually an indication of low FAE.
What do the caps look like? Big? Little?
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xpxbxoxmxbx
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: Fungal growth]
#18153210 - 04/22/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Look at your little shroomman the fungi, his left arm and thigh are pretty much what the majority of mine look like as far as size. Mine are contorted though and have smaller shrooms attached at the base.still working on pictures to post.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18153400 - 04/23/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lack of moisture in the substrate, possibly not enough FAE. Do the caps look under developed? Or are they just small? Might just be genetics. My best guess is low moisture in the substrate.
You can check these threads, they might be helpful:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6140851#6140851
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RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10338868#10338868
here also RR states that too much moisture can produce small fruits.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10614586#10614586
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: carnage11]
#18154887 - 04/23/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the substrate is fine,the dunk after birthing didnt add very much water to the cakes.i know this because after the first 6 fruited and i re-dunked,there was a substancial differance in the actual weight of the cakes. The cakes are of 3 different varieties and all grow the same so i am not certain its genetics.
I have done a few things though:
1. I am trying to get more frequent fae.
2. I had used the wrong bulbs,had set up my lighting fixture assuming i had a daylight spectrum bulb and assumed wrong.i had a 2700k cfl 26w,replaced that with a 6500k 13w.less output but it floods my fc with light just fine,and still running it 12/12.
3. My fc was too low to the ground,2 ft. Raised it up to 4 1/2.
4. Raised my temps a little from 68-72 to a constant 74.i was concerned about this because i colonized at room temp,which was basically 74 anyway, which is why i opted a little cooler to induce pinning.i started my Eqs about 2 weeks before my Brazillians and Mazapatecs,by the time the Eqs had consolidated,i was only about 5 days from Bs and Ms fully consolidating.Eqs went about a month and Bs and Ms about 2 1/2 weeks.much faster because i moved them all into a cabinet above fridge after innoc.Eqs had started in a closet on a shelf.
I think i have things under better control now as my best fruiting cake has 2nd flush pins all over with about 5 times as many and not just on bottom verm layer.
I have plenty of pics i will post once i figure out how to post them.thanks guys...
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18155872 - 04/23/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not buying lack of fae as a reason. But good luck
Remember, just because you dunked them doesn't mean the moisture wasn't sucked up at early fruit formation.
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#18161083 - 04/24/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well im on the second flush now and my good cakes have 10 times the pins they did on flush 1.they were re-dnr' ed and are double end cased.if moisture in sub was too low first time,causing small fruits,how will i keep them hydrated this time around.they were dnr and dec first time but i dont think the cakes absorbed much in the first dunk.they are much heavier this time around but have SO many more pins,all over,not just on bottom verm.i soak the verm on top of the cakes but pins are there now too and i dont want to drown them.maybe too early to tell yet but after a few adjustments to my set-up the pinning really took off.still working on.pics but will prob be harvesting before that issue is resolved...
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why?PICS ADDED [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18169869 - 04/26/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: short, fat fruits from 3 different varieties...why? [Re: xpxbxoxmxbx]
#18351154 - 05/31/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Use opera browser for android phone works great my other browser wont upload pictures either..
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