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thermochemistry of various floaters
    #18098638 - 04/12/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

So I was just taking a break from my homework to smoke a cigarette. I was staring at the blue sky and seeing the floaters, and suddenly I had a Hypothesis--

I know that the larger, more consistent floaters (the ones that drift with the movement of your eyes) are supposedly proteins. But there's also a multitude of tiny floaters, bright spots, which rapidly appear, move, and vanish in relatively self-similar patterns. Are these actual individual protons being exchanged by water molecules? Am I witnessing the equilibrium between hydronium and hydroxide? :whoa:


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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18099503 - 04/12/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Are these actual individual protons being exchanged by water molecules? Am I witnessing the equilibrium between hydronium and hydroxide? :whoa:




That's extremely unlikely.  I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about and I'm unsure of the origin, but I think it probably has to do with blood flow in the eye or brain or other larg-scale, transient physiological effects.

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18099537 - 04/12/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you suppose it's unlikely? The proteins actually look the way proteins should, that's something that boggles me more every time I think about it. The other floaters seem to be alight with the sort of constant and ordered equilibrium I'd expect between water ions.

I mean, I'm totally open to being completely wrong, I'm just really curious about this and I wonder if anybody has a better explanation. :whoa:


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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18101066 - 04/13/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I think this is what you're referring to:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18104596 - 04/13/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

A variety of reasons.  The water molecules are exchanging way faster than the human eye or brain can respond.  And in bright day light, your eyes are not sensitive to single photon interactions (what this type of noise would be perceived as).  Amongst other things.

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18104601 - 04/13/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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A variety of reasons.  The water molecules are exchanging way faster than the human eye or brain can respond.  And in bright day light, your eyes are not sensitive to single photon interactions (what this type of noise would be perceived as).  Amongst other things.




Ah, well, it was a thought. They certainly seem to follow the form constants.

Thanks for the input, fellows :raisemyglass:


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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18106524 - 04/14/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Amongst other things.



One of the other things being that individual protons are simply too small to see, even if they float around on the surface of the eye.

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18135824 - 04/19/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Am I witnessing the equilibrium between hydronium and hydroxide? :whoa:



I'm not saying its impossible but I am saying its most likely you and your HPPD from eating too much acid and 2c-e :lol:

I can't look at the bright blue sky and not feel like inside of an accelerator collision chamber. All sorts of particles floating around. Damn drugs and their long term effects  :shakefist:

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18138816 - 04/20/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

There's no necessary association with drugs. There are many causes of the same optical phenomenon; drugs are just one of them and the role of psychedelics specifically is still debated.

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: koraks]
    #18138824 - 04/20/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I always kinda had the impression that a lot of HPPD isn't so much a set of new visual phenomena, but an increased awareness of preexisting visual phenomena...


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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18138875 - 04/20/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I'm just messin with you. I too believe that drugs only increase your awareness of preexisting phenomenona. But damn there is too much activity in the sky. How did I not notice it before?

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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: thatsnice69]
    #18138878 - 04/20/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

You were asleep, maaaan. :wook: :mindblown:


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Re: thermochemistry of various floaters [Re: koraks]
    #18140717 - 04/20/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Amongst other things.



One of the other things being that individual protons are simply too small to see, even if they float around on the surface of the eye.




I think he meant the individual protons activating the photoreceptors.  Noise basically.  But for lots of reasons, this probably isn't the case.

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