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Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends
#18090727 - 04/11/13 05:42 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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Anyone have any experience with this?
We talk of synchronicities, willing the universe to your ends, destiny.
Is this real in any way?
Is the universe a minded entity, is it able to respond to the human enterprise?
If so, how do we make this happen, how do we elucidate this structure for ourselves?
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes]
#18090750 - 04/11/13 05:51 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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Destiny is real but nope to the others. Sounds like "The Secret" book
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: lolwut]
#18090876 - 04/11/13 07:17 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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What about weather patterns changing with mood lol?
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes]
#18090877 - 04/11/13 07:17 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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Oh and tell me about destiny.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes]
#18090959 - 04/11/13 08:06 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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circastes said: What about weather patterns changing with mood lol?
You're kidding right? In any major city or anywhere for that matter just about every mood is happening.
Wow is all I've got to say.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes]
#18090961 - 04/11/13 08:07 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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circastes said: Anyone have any experience with this?
We talk of synchronicities, willing the universe to your ends, destiny.
Is this real in any way?
Is the universe a minded entity, is it able to respond to the human enterprise?
If so, how do we make this happen, how do we elucidate this structure for ourselves?
Synchronicity isn't about will. It's about reflection. It is very real, and there's no reason it couldn't be so, AFAIK. The universe (taken very loosely) does respond to human endeavors- think of being able to cut down a tree. That doesn't mean the universe is 'minded': The Chinese Room thought experiment shows us how it would be possible for small scale interactions to give the impression of mindfulness.
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The Chinese room is a thought experiment presented by John Searle. [1]
It supposes that there is a program that gives a computer the ability to carry on an intelligent conversation in written Chinese. If the program is given to someone who speaks only English to execute the instructions of the program by hand, then in theory, the English speaker would also be able to carry on a conversation in written Chinese. However, the English speaker would not be able to understand the conversation. Similarly, Searle concludes, a computer executing the program would not understand the conversation either.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes]
#18090962 - 04/11/13 08:08 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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circastes said: Oh and tell me about destiny.
Destiny is what happens. Very simple. Destiny can only be seen in retrospect.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: Icelander]
#18091171 - 04/11/13 09:38 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes] 1
#18091181 - 04/11/13 09:40 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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Is this real in any way?
No.
But if you can show us a photo of you and a supermodel in a Bugatti Veyron within a week holding up a sign reading "Suck on this, PSP" you just might make me a convert.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: lolwut]
#18091195 - 04/11/13 09:46 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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lolwut said: Destiny is real but nope to the others. Sounds like "The Secret" book
ts what i was thinking... louie theroux did a good ep on those will to success guys... appearing positive and enthusiastic does tend to help get a job i have noticed.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: quinn]
#18091208 - 04/11/13 09:49 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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I just used my stunning good looks. If there was a female on the hiring committee I would make eye contact. Job in the bag. Didn't work so well with jobs that had a test involved.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: Icelander]
#18091290 - 04/11/13 10:15 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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it's funny but nowadays high test scorers can often get filtered out by the requirement to show that they have a social life (extracurricular activities etc)... kind of like a way of counterbalancing the brain damage caused to them by being heavily indoctrinated in competitive education... didnt know you were a looker ice
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: Icelander]
#18091325 - 04/11/13 10:33 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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circastes said: What about weather patterns changing with mood lol?
You're kidding right? In any major city or anywhere for that matter just about every mood is happening.
Wow is all I've got to say.
Yeah I know, crazy, but, god damn it, there is some correlation, for someone who is in contact with the structure, it's a weird state of mind I guess.
Not crazy, just hints of a higher structure than physics.
Perception and reality are interwoven, and just think, when you're angry, your eyes are doing something different, maybe dilating, so that is changing reality, since - thought it's not popular yet - perception and reality are indistinct, interchangable, first of all in this case everything would be brighter, but it's not just the pupils, it's reality actually becoming brighter because you see more brightness, so the sun comes out more, the clouds "move" or it all rearranges.
It's SOMETHING like this. I swear to God.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: circastes]
#18091340 - 04/11/13 10:37 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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I swear to God.
Swear to anyone you like, bull shit is bull shit.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: quinn]
#18091353 - 04/11/13 10:42 AM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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quinn said: it's funny but nowadays high test scorers can often get filtered out by the requirement to show that they have a social life (extracurricular activities etc)... kind of like a way of counterbalancing the brain damage caused to them by being heavily indoctrinated in competitive education... didnt know you were a looker ice
Check your PMs
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: Icelander]
#18091868 - 04/11/13 01:17 PM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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the perceived human structure is the structure of your own psyche, at deeper levels it goes back to the lizard and the fish. I find when I have no direction it can be easy to mistake / correctly perceive the will of the universe as my own. thus submission gives the illusion of empowerment. I believe this is how all primitives operated, participating in cooperation with the universe and not trying to act upon it.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: anothertom]
#18093341 - 04/11/13 06:04 PM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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circastes said: Anyone have any experience with this?
We talk of synchronicities, willing the universe to your ends, destiny.
Is this real in any way?
Is the universe a minded entity, is it able to respond to the human enterprise?
If so, how do we make this happen, how do we elucidate this structure for ourselves?
Synchronicity... sure however I am of the idea that it is only a seemingly miraculous phenomena from the human standpoint, while nature is just doing its periodic dance and I would like to suppose that we only perceive an extremely small amount of the various synchronicities (sp) that go on around us. I think it makes sense, after all our perspective is quite limited.
Is the universe minded...? i would say certainly not in the human way. I have often thought that there are aspects of human awareness that would make more sense in the context of an evolving natural system, such as creativity and awareness of the creative process. Just an idea I suppose. Funny though, science seems to convey one of the hallmarks of intelligent conscious animals as being able to form some type of self symbol, so if you expand the neurological view of higher mammals to more of a systems view, and then sort of zoom out on the thing as a whole, one has to wonder whether or not the universe hasn't created some form of self symbol, humankind. Eh not sure if that made any sense but I figured I would throw it out there.
Not sure what you want to make happen... And it seems like willing the universe to your ends would be sort of the opposite of destiny, for destiny is generally conceptualized as that which is out of one's control.
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anothertom said: the perceived human structure is the structure of your own psyche, at deeper levels it goes back to the lizard and the fish. I find when I have no direction it can be easy to mistake / correctly perceive the will of the universe as my own. thus submission gives the illusion of empowerment. I believe this is how all primitives operated, participating in cooperation with the universe and not trying to act upon it.
Can it ever be determined when one's own actions arise from their own will alone? Its easy to say that I act because I will the action upon my being, but in my eyes that mentality means getting caught up in a little bit of trickery. It seems as though there is always direction, even when it isn't clear just what that direction is.
Anyhow language clearly fails us in speaking of all of these matters. This is why I enjoy Taoism and Zen Buddhism quite a bit, its seems as though their is a great bit of necessity in the subversion of language through music and other art forms, as well as meditation, which is also an art form I suppose.
Just my thoughts, do with them what you will, they amount to nothing after all. Peace.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: elgatogordo]
#18093369 - 04/11/13 06:10 PM (11 years, 8 days ago) |
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Well aint this bout a synchronicity...Was just reading about synchronicity and then come back to check the shroomery and..
Personally, I live by synchronicity. Its quite amazing when it happens, and it happens alllll the time if you pay attention.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: hTx]
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hTx said: Well aint this bout a synchronicity...Was just reading about synchronicity and then come back to check the shroomery and..
Personally, I live by synchronicity. Its quite amazing when it happens, and it happens alllll the time if you pay attention.
Ah be careful though you know it is sometimes easy to see this sort of thing when you look for it. I am in no way shape or form trying to dis the importance of these events to you, I am just saying that further reinforces what I was saying, that the human mind is an associative structure at its core, and just because you notice certain events sync up within the context of your life, it may not be worth living by. But hell I'm not in a position to tell anyone how to live.
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Re: Pre-human structure in the universe for human ends [Re: elgatogordo]
#18102869 - 04/13/13 01:33 PM (11 years, 6 days ago) |
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