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Sunflower Seed Attempt: Week 1 Update
#18052901 - 04/03/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok so I saw a thread recently here about using sunflower seeds successfully to basically debunk the myth that sunflower seeds aren't good for use. I can't seem to find the thread I was hoping some one could link me to it so I can book mark it. *FOUND IT http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3682337* I was planning on using foo man's method.
Got some additional supplies. ______________________________________________________________________
I was also going to grind them down into a flour and do a set of pf tek style jars as well. I suppose I could "Half grind" some.
I should note the back of the bag says this
Nutritional Information
Guaranteed Analysis
Min Crude Protein: 14%
Min crude Fat: 20%
Max Crude Fiber: 35%
Vitamin A (Min.): 900 I.U Per lb
Vitamin D-3 (Min): 90 I.C.U Per LB
Potassium Iodide (min): .0000003%
Ingredients: Sunflower seed, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Vegetable Oil.
So it has vitamin/mineral enrichment _________________________________
I'm hoping the nutrients make up for the size. Also I heard it's easier to shake and such. I have a pot of boiling water now I am about to dump about 2-2.75 quarts of seed (after taking it off the burner) and let it soak for an hour. Then I'll dump them in a strainer..give it some shakes and let it sit for a bit..might paper towel it (Little paranoid about things being too wet after wbs). ____________________________________________________________________ April-5 2013 Well guys I got a lot done in the last couple days. I went from having 0 jars ready to knock up to having 13-14 quarts worth of potential spawn. I still have about 15 quarts worth of jars that I can use..just need to clean them out/refill them with seed. Here's hoping it all works because I'll have a LOT of spawn.
They're all not just one kind of sub though. In the name of Science I prepared a group of jars one way, some another, and some yet another.
The break down goes like this:
A. 9 half-pint Jars filled with BRF..PF TEK (No changes..other then grounding up whole brown rice into flour for freshness)
B. 2 Quart Wbs Jars. This was the last of my bird seed so figured why not.
C. 7 Quart Sunflower Seed Jars (Foo Man's method with some light drying method extras)
D. 1 Quart jar half way filled with completely ground up sunflower seeds
E. 3 half pint jars built to PF TEK specifications..only swapping BRF with SFG (Sun flower grounds).
F. 1 Quart jar that has a mix of whole seeds and some semi crushed/ground
That's all the jars I'll be starting out with for now. I sterilized 5 syringes/needles and PC'd a jar of water for solution so I am ready to make some spore syringes! Not sure what strains I'll use yet, I have a collection to choose from.
probably 4 jars will be getting the agar wedges instead. I don't really feel like messing with tissue culture this time.
I'll update in a couple of days when everything is knocked up with their chosen strain into which jar.
Also as a side project...
_____________________________________________________________________ April 11th, 2013
Well tomorrow is Week 1 of my first batch of Sunflower and BRF jars. I'll give pics then. That TC cake I mentioned is doing quite well .
Today I will have sterilized 19 half pint brf jars for more MS. I knocked up some plates with Colombian Rust Spore, Mexican Albino, AA+, GWM , PE, and a yangoon clone. Day 2-3 +/- no sign of any growth as of yet..these were my first plates I made myself so I hope everything goes smoothly.
I used Glad cling wrap as it seems to come more recommended then micropore tape which is what I've been using..but it uses a lot of tape to wrap it all so I'm willing to give this method a shot..no contams so far. I am a little worried about the condensation on the plates..idk if that means I put too much water in my plates (They were hard when I dropped the spores in)...I guess I'll search bar it..
After doing some more research and looking over my sunflower jars..I think I'll be fine tuning my tek. I think when I do more jars I'll make it so it's 50/50 of cracked seeds and whole. I'll still do fooman's tek..The drying is what's getting me..
I suppose once they're ready to dry I'll lay out some paper towels and let them dry on there for a 12-24 hours..I also heard adding a spoon full of verm to each jar can help control moisture..I might give that a shot for a few of the jars. Any tips on drying would be most welcome.
Same ol otherwise. Just hoping for a higher success rate this time. ___________________________________________________________________
April 12th 2013 (1 Week since first round of inoculation)
It has been a pretty eventful week. Along with me doing this project I'll be going back to school..taking some bs course and then chemistry .
So far I've only seen growth in one BRF Treasure Coast jar..seems to be colonizing very nicely. Nothing yet from the others or the petris. I am a little worried that I may have made them too "nutritious"..making them harder to colonize..but we'll see. I made more dishes (which i hope won't contaminate) and added honey as an extra ingredient/adjusted water levels.
The main event SUNFLOWER SEEDS!!!!! So this is what I did...here's hoping it works...
1. I measured out how many seeds I would need and then used my blender to semi crush/open the seeds. Just like that jar I made in the first round that was successful.
2. Fooman's method (Put as many seeds as I could) for 1 hour
3. I rinsed the seeds
4. Took a bucket that I usual do my coir bucket with. Filled it with water and put all the seeds in there to soak for at least 4 hours.
5. I drained the bucket (more darkish water), and then thoroughly rinsed and rinsed the seeds until the water was more or less clear.
6. Now comes the part that has f'd me a lot...drying. This time I took a technique I found after using the search bar and laid out some newspaper on my table, then put a layer of paper towels. I spread all the seeds on the table as evenly as possible, and then put another layer of paper towels on top (Like a sandwich).
From here I'll wait 12 hours. Theoretically everything should be good. I figure it's better to be on the dryer side since I'm forced to do MS right now (Though I'll be sure to use less this round).
I'll try and update once a week. In the mean time...time to kick back and light em up!
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Edited by Blackd0ve420 (04/12/13 06:07 PM)
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I leave sunflower seeds in my spawn all the time
I also don't pick out floaters, mullet or cracked corn... never had a problem here
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"A traditional sunflower seed removal."
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I think the issue w/ sunflower seeds is there mostly air so your neut per # is somewhat lacking. Not to mention the amount of single grains per square inch of substrate when you mix.
i dont take them out of my mix, but wouldnt use them as pure spawn.
Cant wait to see how it turns out.
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Re: Sunflower Seed Attempt [Re: MoGrow]
#18053774 - 04/03/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting, I'll be watching this.
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I pull them out and use them in their own jar. Mostly because a few black things in my WBS tweaks me when checking for contams. So far they work well, a bit harder to shake and break up than WBS though. A 100% Sunflower grow would be interesting.
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Never heard of this I might have to give it a try
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Re: Sunflower Seed Attempt [Re: MoGrow]
#18056289 - 04/04/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll keep you guys posted and will update with plenty of pics . This is sort of branching off of my last grow log here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17800389/fpart/1
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MonkeyJesusFresco said: Girlfriend: "What are you doing now?"
"A traditional sunflower seed removal."
Girlfriend: "Why? What does that do?"
"Nothing. It's just tradition."
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MoGrow said: I think the issue w/ sunflower seeds is there mostly air so your neut per # is somewhat lacking. Not to mention the amount of single grains per square inch of substrate when you mix.
i dont take them out of my mix, but wouldnt use them as pure spawn.
Cant wait to see how it turns out.
We'll see how they turn out. That air might turn beneficial and make a mini eco for mycellium colonizing . Sun flower seeds have an extremely high amount of protein which also can only spell good for strong sturdy growth. Plus I think they'll get more neuts when the spawn is mixed with a yummy sub mix. Last time I did, with success, a mix of Cow/Horse Manure/Brick of Coir/Cup of Gypsum/Verm.
I went through like 10-15 pages on the cult forum and still didn't find the sunflower thread so I guess I'll just have to do make it myself lol..
I have about 35-40 quarts worth of jar space/potential spawn and I am going to try and fill them all up . I have a couple colonized GWM/PE hybrid plates that I might use for a couple of WBS jars..other then that I am going to do straight MS..as one shroomerite said "I like surprises" :P. Just got to decide what I want to use I got like 40 strains.
Anyways thanks for the posts/book marking I wasn't expecting this kind of attention, I'll certainly do my best
Time to fire up that PC!!!
Edit: Oh for those of you who are confused by the potting soil that is not for the mushies they are for my 2 swaazi sativa dominate MJ seeds .
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Sunflower seeds take up extra room in the jar because of their size. That is the only downfall, you get a minuscule amount of less inoculation points...
I leave everything in accept the peanuts.
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Just a thought but what if you were to break up the seeds? Its said that there is too much air in the seeds but they are full of nutes. So if you were to crush them up a bit, they should be full of nutes and not so full of air.
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I could experiment that way with some jars. I was also going to grind them down into a flour and do a set of pf tek style jars as well. I suppose I could "Half grind" some.
I should note the back of the bag says this
Nutritional Information
Guaranteed Analysis
Min Crude Protein: 14%
Min crude Fat: 20%
Max Crude Fiber: 35%
Vitamin A (Min.): 900 I.U Per lb
Vitamin D-3 (Min): 90 I.C.U Per LB
Potassium Iodide (min): .0000003%
Ingredients: Sunflower seed, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Vegetable Oil.
So it has vitamin/mineral enrichment _________________________________
I'm hoping the nutrients make up for the size. Also I heard it's easier to shake and such. I have a pot of boiling water now I am about to dump about 2-2.75 quarts of seed (after taking it off the burner) and let it soak for an hour. Then I'll dump them in a strainer..give it some shakes and let it sit for a bit..might paper towel it (Little paranoid about things being too wet after wbs).
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the goat of truth:
IT DOESN'T MATTER!
The "sunflower issue" has been put to rest for a long time now...
At one point, it was said that sunflower seeds contaminate or contaminates hide out in them; over time, I'm starting to think whoever came up with that was looking at their colonized jars, seeing the black sunflower seeds colonized, saw how dark it was, and thought they were contaminated? I dunno...sunflower seeds are of no concern (or interest for that matter).
The only real reason "traditional sunflower seed removal" is done, would be cause they're all floating to the top of the pot when washing the birdseed, get'n in the way and shit
so scooping them out is not really a hassle, and even then you don't have to skim them all out.
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Quote:
MonkeyJesusFresco said: the goat of truth:
IT DOESN'T MATTER!
The "sunflower issue" has been put to rest for a long time now...
At one point, it was said that sunflower seeds contaminate or contaminates hide out in them; over time, I'm starting to think whoever came up with that was looking at their colonized jars, seeing the black sunflower seeds colonized, saw how dark it was, and thought they were contaminated? I dunno...sunflower seeds are of no concern (or interest for that matter).
The only real reason "traditional sunflower seed removal" is done, would be cause they're all floating to the top of the pot when washing the birdseed, get'n in the way and shit
so scooping them out is not really a hassle, and even then you don't have to skim them all out.
Lol I figured as much. I asked for some links but I guess no one knew where they were either. Did plenty of searching on the SB. That is heartening to hear though and maybe he confused the black sunflower with a black mold? Or bacteria?
Anyways I have about 5-7 quarts of spawn sterilized so far with a 30-40 more quarts waiting to be filled up/sterilized.
1. I have some regular to the T, PF tek BRF jars (Whole Brown rice blended up).
2. I have some Pf tek Jars with Sunflower seeds grounded up replacing the BRF.
3. I have regular sunflower seeds (Wbs replacement)
4. I have partially crushed/ground+whole seeds in a few others.
Just to play around with . I only have two very small petri's colonized sooo I'll probably have to do MS for most of it.
Anyone have a good link on pouring your own dishes?
Edit: I have to say that so far after prepping them, I found they are less messier..easier to wash off (Not nearly as dirty). I personally like having the black jars Lol.
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yeah, they'll work just fine OP, have fun!!
And for agar, just use small 1/8 pint jars, mix your agar and pour into the jars, close up and PC as normal. Let them cool and you have an agar jar instead of petri. Thats how I do all my agar...
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slapphappypill said: yeah, they'll work just fine OP, have fun!!
And for agar, just use small 1/8 pint jars, mix your agar and pour into the jars, close up and PC as normal. Let them cool and you have an agar jar instead of petri. Thats how I do all my agar...
Thanks happypill . +5 coming to you. Well I actually got two free sleeves of large petri dishes haha. So I don't have to worry about buying 1/8 pints. I just wasn't sure on what the ratio of agar to water.
I have some white powder type agar and I have some block agar-agar I got from an oriental market. I guess either way I'll boil a certain amount of water and mix a certain amount of agar...let it stop boiling..pour into dishes..close/seal and wait for use? About right?
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I use 5gm Agar Agar, 5gm DLME, 340ml H2o and my agar comes out perfect every time, i use the same jar tek as SHP,
I get 20 - 24 jars from this rec.
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Re: Sunflower Seed Attempt [Re: MoGrow]
#18057886 - 04/04/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just make sure you let it cool enough just before it goes solid. Otherwise your dishes will have a ton of condensation!
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Thank you both! Just the info I was looking for . I don't have 5gm dlme so I'll just have to rock it with just agar.
Thanks SHP I heard that advice from a friend as well, I'll be sure to remember that! I guess lukewarm is what I should strive for.
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April-5 2013 Well guys I got a lot done in the last couple days. I went from having 0 jars ready to knock up to having 13-14 quarts worth of potential spawn. I still have about 15 quarts worth of jars that I can use..just need to clean them out/refill them with seed. Here's hoping it all works because I'll have a LOT of spawn.
They're all not just one kind of sub though. In the same of Science I prepared a group of jars one way, some another, and some yet another.
The break down goes like this:
A. 9 half-pint Jars filled with BRF..PF TEK (No changes..other then grounding up whole brown rice into flour for freshness)
B. 2 Quart Wbs Jars. This was the last of my bird seed so figured why not.
C. 7 Quart Sunflower Seed Jars (Foo Man's method with some light drying method extras)
D. 1 Quart jar half way filled with completely ground up sunflower seeds
E. 3 half pint jars built to PF TEK specifications..only swapping BRF with SFG (Sun flower grounds).
F. 1 Quart jar that has a mix of whole seeds and some semi crushed/ground
That's all the jars I'll be starting out with for now. I sterilized 5 syringes/needles and PC'd a jar of water for solution so I am ready to make some spore syringes! Not sure what strains I'll use yet, I have a collection to choose from.
probably 4 jars will be getting the agar wedges instead. I don't really feel like messing with tissue culture this time.
I'll update in a couple of days when everything is knocked up with their chosen strain into which jar.
Also as a side project...
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grrr I might have to re-do the quart jars of whole sunflower seeds...they look wet. There was water pooling at the bottom I shook the jar a bit to redistribute but I have a feeling it's going to need to be redone =/. This has always been a common problem with me, wbs and now sunflower...my grains always end up too wet! I do the spoon test, I paper towel them a little, I have a big fan on them for some hours....frustrating...my only idea now is to let them sit in the strainer 24 hours...
Has anyone had this problem? If yes how did you fix it?
On the bright side I made my first agar plates today.
I accidently let the JD one cool too much inside so it's already solidified hahaha. The patron ended up being all I needed anyways. I decided to experiment and injected the jd bottle with GT spores :P. A dud or a fully colonized JD bottle I guess we'll see lmao. Thought it'd be entertaining.
Anyways this friday is the 1 week of inoculation so I'll make the decision to re do then, also will check the jars then (Trying to look once a week).
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