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Did i end up with cubes ?
    #17633572 - 01/30/13 06:32 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Hey all, I have posted before on IDing a flush. I did over in the cultivation forum though.

Basically, I took 1.7-2g approx. only to smile a little. That was fresh. But last night I took 3g dry, then lemon tek'd another 1g 90 min later and then another g on top 30 min after that. Only felt a little tired.

Im pretty bummed. I've worked on this for a few months before getting it right. My cakes are doing great, except. I am not tripping!, That was 5g!!

I bought these spores from a nonsponsor and they are supposed to be "GT." Are they cubes? I realize I sound dumb, but I am shocked. I have no idea what to do.


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17633583 - 01/30/13 06:37 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Those are psilocybe cubensis.


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17633626 - 01/30/13 06:59 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

:frown:  I guess that is good news actually, but I took 5g. I know what 5g is, 2.5g is a good time for me.


So i posted on cult. asking about possible mistakes I made while dehydrating them. But I really dont think I messed that up.

Thanks for the ID.

Tmethyl, I had your background paintings and time lapse threads open last night ready for a good time. That and Fantasia minimized on youtube (i dont have a tv). Bummed I missed out on that too!

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17633670 - 01/30/13 07:22 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

My guess is they weren't cracker dry (when cracker dry you can crush them into powder/pieces with your bare hands)
You probably ate around 2-3g which won't have a big effect if you've recently eaten food before the mushrooms and some people just have a natural tolerance.
Next time extract the psilo's by making a tea extract. It will hit harder and faster and you can make the tea while mushrooms are still fresh.

But always fast(don't eat) 3+ hours before taking mushrooms.

For the most potent tea add all your mushrooms fresh or dry to a pan or pot with about 2" of water.
Chop the fungi into pieces,  doesn't have to be tiny pieces. Add to water.
Now heat the water and just as it starts to boil turn off heat then stir mushrooms.
Now let it sit for 30mins and bring water to a boil and turn heat off again.
Repeat this heat, stir, sit up to 5 times for maximum extraction.


Let it cool and start off with about half a shot of the extract (1/2 of a shot glass or about 1.5oz)
If after 40min your not tripping take another shot.

You will trip :lol:

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17633713 - 01/30/13 07:41 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I was worried they were too dry b/c I did break a lot.

Thanks a lot for the recipe. I'll definitely use it this weekend.

And you have a ton of good info in your sig. It is awesome to have all that good infor compiled alongside some art that is relevant to the end result! And besides the art, I think time lapses are sweet while tripping (and in general).

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17633718 - 01/30/13 07:43 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

So can that "extract" be stored long term or is it just for that day?

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17633771 - 01/30/13 08:06 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Yes but I'm not sure how long. I made a glass wine bottle full of potent extract nearly 3months ago and I took a shot glass full of it last night. I tripped harder than I wanted to:rofl:
But it still looked fine smelled fine and tasted the same as the day I made it. I didn't get sick either.
Its been in the refrigerator since I made it. Keep it cold.

The liquid is sterile or near sterile after 5 boilings. Not much chance if any bacterial blooms in the extract.

There are a few more details you may need when you are making the extract.
Message me when you are making it I'll be around.


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17633946 - 01/30/13 08:58 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

does psilocin or psilocybin evaporate below 100c? curious, thanks.


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17633977 - 01/30/13 09:08 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I sure will :thumbup:

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17634000 - 01/30/13 09:13 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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does psilocin or psilocybin evaporate below 100c? curious, thanks.


Psilocybin does not evaporate, nor does psilocin, it oxideses, which destroys the tyryptamine alkaloids making them inert. Unlike psilocin, psilocybin is a fairly stable compound with a melting point around 220 - 240oC. If properly stored, psilocybin does not break down easily and can be preserved for decades. Favorable conditions include cool, dark, dry places a with lack of oxygen. At times herbariums will store their dried mushrooms in a glass jar, and sometimes replace the air inside with pure carbon dioxide, which is inert when it come into contact with tryptamine alkaloids. However, this preservation method is only effective when trying to store psilocybin mushrooms for a long period. Once the jar is opened, the co2 escapes and oxygen begins degrading the mushrooms. 
Psilocybin is also known as a zwitterionic alkaloid, a neutral compound having two opposite electrical charges at different locations. Solvents include water, methanol, and aqueous ethanol, however psilocybin is not soluble in organic solvents such as chloroform and petroleum ether. When dissolved in water, light is detrimental to the stability of psilocybin, causing the molecule to rapidly oxidize and become inert.
Psilocin will oxidize depending on the amount of the cells walls are destroyed (bluing), and the exposure to air, it is unstable and doesnt last long in a oxygenated environment.

there ya go more than you ever wish to know, im working on a paper right now so theres an excerpt.
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~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~
_________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________

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"Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira


       

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Joust]
    #17634042 - 01/30/13 09:24 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Joust... I've made my tea in my steel coffee plunger recently, seems I was on the right track. It looks scary though when I'm trying to ramp up my level of trip. It's all black and blue inside... scary object. :trippinballs:


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17634483 - 01/30/13 11:15 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Tryna said:
Hey all, I have posted before on IDing a flush. I did over in the cultivation forum though.

Basically, I took 1.7-2g approx. only to smile a little. That was fresh. But last night I took 3g dry, then lemon tek'd another 1g 90 min later and then another g on top 30 min after that. Only felt a little tired.

Im pretty bummed. I've worked on this for a few months before getting it right. My cakes are doing great, except. I am not tripping!, That was 5g!!

I bought these spores from a nonsponsor and they are supposed to be "GT." Are they cubes? I realize I sound dumb, but I am shocked. I have no idea what to do.





When u harvest do they turn blue?


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: jwalt420]
    #17634701 - 01/30/13 11:54 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Jwalt. Any areas cut or physically handled will bruise blue. As they dry they sometimes turn blue too.

Joust. That's a bad ass post as always.
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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17634850 - 01/30/13 12:20 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Jwalt. Any areas cut or physically handled will bruise blue. As they dry they sometimes turn blue too.

Joust. That's a bad ass post as always.
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I thought if no Psilocin/psilocybin is present mushrooms wont turn blue when harvested, no blue = no trip..
Am i wrong?


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: jwalt420]
    #17635513 - 01/30/13 02:23 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Joust, so awesome.

What are your sources? I would love to read some of the basic chemistry on psilocybin. Primarily more about it's electric charges and how it bonds. Any hard science material, however dry is up my alley!

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17635536 - 01/30/13 02:29 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Tryna his source was probably errowid.


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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17636532 - 01/30/13 05:38 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

cool.

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Tryna]
    #17636707 - 01/30/13 06:07 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

jwalt420 said:
Quote:

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Jwalt. Any areas cut or physically handled will bruise blue. As they dry they sometimes turn blue too.

Joust. That's a bad ass post as always.
:kaneclap:



I thought if no Psilocin/psilocybin is present mushrooms wont turn blue when harvested, no blue = no trip..
Am i wrong?



if there is no bluing then it means the lack of psilocin present.
Psilocybe semilanceata often does not stain blue becuase of the low amounts of pilocin, however it is still very potent by weight because of the baeocystin and psilocybin, which dont stain.

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Tryna his source was probably errowid.



False, i used many sources, all of them real journal articles and chemistry studies.
Ill try and post a few.
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Tmethyl said:
Jwalt. Any areas cut or physically handled will bruise blue. As they dry they sometimes turn blue too.

Joust. That's a bad ass post as always.
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Thank you sir!
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Joust, so awesome.

What are your sources? I would love to read some of the basic chemistry on psilocybin. Primarily more about it's electric charges and how it bonds. Any hard science material, however dry is up my alley!



if your wanting basic chemistry try going to psilocybin on wiki and read there, alot of the sources are good and you can often click on them to see the full article.
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_________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Joust]
    #17641245 - 01/30/13 11:37 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_testing.shtml
https://www.google.com/search?q=205993&oq=205993&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fusuarios.multimania.es%2Fmongiweb%2Ffaq.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=WPWsZNvOqVAC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=bufotenin+mushrooms&source=bl&ots=8KzNyv_ZwF&sig=YVCg8ch8QE1KUo423EdHPjXPr5E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=voXyUIaTLYbmiwLVpoD4CQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=bufotenin%20mushrooms&f=false
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/01/17/1119598109.full.pdf+html
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2012/01/18/bjp.bp.111.103309.abstract
http://jop.sagepub.com/content/25/11/1434.short
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85192141/2011-amsterdam.pdf
http://www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2006/2006_Sewell_22779_1.pdf
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article8.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14578010
https://www.google.com/search?q=Psilocybin+and+Psilocin+Levels+in+20+Species+from+7+Genera&oq=Psilocybin+and+Psilocin+Levels+in+20+Species+from+7+Genera&aqs=chrome.0.57j60l2j62l3.2489&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Psilocybin+and+Psilocin+Levels+in+20+Species+from+7+Genera&oq=Psilocybin+and+Psilocin+Levels+in+20+Species+from+7+Genera&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.4826.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.nKm_gd22EYs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41524429,d.cGE&fp=f6bd8b83f9427bdd&biw=1440&bih=735
http://www.museocivico.rovereto.tn.it/UploadDocs/748_Annali71991_art13_gartz.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=OWFiVaDZnkQC&pg=PA953&lpg=PA953&dq=panaeolus+cyanescens+baeocystin&source=bl&ots=57yVXcB4uJ&sig=hEL5mGGh6B3J7KuAfDg9UqEv3w4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9QEGUYWHB4mJiwLrpIGICw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=panaeolus%20cyanescens%20baeocystin&f=false
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info15.shtml
https://mycotopia.net/archives/discus/messages/5/levels_and_flushes-141925.pdf
http://plantobserver.org/myco-library/Psilocybe/Psilocybin%20&%20Psilocin%20levels%20in%2020%20species%20from%207%20genera%20of%20Wild%20Mushrooms%20in%20the%20Pacific%20Northwest/PSILOCYBIN%20AND%20PSILOCIN%20LEVELS%20IN%20TWENTY%20SPECIES%20FROM%20SEVEN%20GENERA%20OF%20WILD.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17340325
http://www.norden.org/en/publications/publikationer/2008-606/at_download/publicationfile
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/01/17/1119598109.abstract
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00302744?term=psilocybin&rank=1
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xpZhjBuDkuwC&oi=fnd&pg=PA149&dq=%22Acute+toxicity+of+drugs+versus+regulatory+status&ots=YIKgzMSvc8&sig=oineSrMjaFvYZMnNjrVeeQIOn7I#v=onepage&q=%22Acute%20toxicity%20of%20drugs%20versus%20regulatory%20status&f=false
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?doi=10.1159/000317249
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677076/
http://www.shroomery.org/6231/Psilocybin-awareness

Took me a while to track down some papers, but heres a little list that i put together on pharmocacology.
and as always you can rate me up if you like my work ( i love getting ratings, makes me feel good:robawet:
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_________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________

:sporedrop:                      "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen                      :sporedrop:

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Re: Did i end up with cubes ? [Re: Joust]
    #17641958 - 01/31/13 05:51 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks a lot, for the reading! I had to go over the pub and rack up some posts so I can giving you a rating. :thumbup:

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