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 rsouellette
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 ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) 
#17269165 - 11/23/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well i am a big fan of shrooms and decided to try my hand at growing them below i am going to explain what i plan to do and hopefully i will be be corrected (if it seems like i am going to fail)
so i ordered pre-sterilized(2rye and 2 grain) grain bags(be here Tues) and i have my spores i plan on using that rtv silicone to make my inoculation point after i have done that i plan on waiting till its about 30-40% colonized before i break it up a lil and let it Finish spawning and i plan on bulking it to verm and coir using a bucket to pasteurize (thinking about adding gypsum should i or no?) i have tubs that are 16lx11wx10h they will have about 3" of bulk in the bottom the ill let it re colonized (covered dark 75 degree closet)after it looks all good give it like 4-5 days then i will then remove tape i have over the holes i plan on stuffing with poly fil and start a 12/12 light cycle (daylight bulb) letting it fruit. i will be very sterile without using a glove box i have doctors mask gloves and alcohol wipes does this sound good ?
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: rsouellette]
#17269610 - 11/23/12 03:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely use gypsum. don't colonize in the dark, light is beneficial to mycelium at all stages of life. Also, if you have 4 grain bags that is enough to do 8 of those tubs. I use the same dimension of tray, except not as tall for my GH and I only use 2-3 quarts per tub and one of your grain bags will probably be anywhere between 4-6 quarts. So I would use 2 tubs per bag, depending on the size.
Other than that, good luck dude
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rsouellette
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Thx. My bags are only 1 lb spawn bags. Im thinking its more like I qt. I really don't know bc I haven't revived them yet. How much gypsum should I use? Im using about4 its and 4 its course as my vulk
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: rsouellette]
#17271211 - 11/23/12 09:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm not sure what one full quart of berries weighs, but I imagine it would be around a pound or so. They must be really small bags!
When you spawn your bags, if they really are equal to one quart, I would do two per tub, to the coir/verm mix add 10% by volume of gypsum. So basically for every ten quarts of spawn and sub mix put 1 quart of gypsum, or to be more specific if you use 2 bags (assuming they are one quart) to half a brick of coir (which most are 8 quart and that would give you a 1:2 ratio, which is good but you dont want to go higher than that, I usually do 1:1 or 1:1.5) you would put in a little over a pint of gypsum.
But then again you probably won't use the entire half brick because you are also using verm. So for a 50/50 mix you would use a quarter of the brick and 2 quarts of verm, gypsum stays the same amount. Also I HIGHLY suggest lining the inside of the tub with black trash bags. It will decrease the amount of annoying side pins.
And make sure your polyfilled holes are correct size and right placement
Good luck, keep the board updated
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I wait for pins before I introduce fruiting conditions,I know a few other members do also.
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: amungus]
#17273044 - 11/24/12 10:19 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would recommend this for a beginner as well, it'll help your pin set and over all yield
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rsouellette
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should i save a little of my coir/verm and put a thin casing layer on top?
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: rsouellette]
#17273553 - 11/24/12 12:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people layer when they spawn, some people mix and put a thin layer on top and some don't put the thin layer on top.
It's all personal preference really.
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rsouellette
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Quote:
serotonin storm said:
Yeah I'm not sure what one full quart of berries weighs, but I imagine it would be around a pound or so. They must be really small bags!
When you spawn your bags, if they really are equal to one quart, I would do two per tub, to the coir/verm mix add 10% by volume of gypsum. So basically for every ten quarts of spawn and sub mix put 1 quart of gypsum, or to be more specific if you use 2 bags (assuming they are one quart) to half a brick of coir (which most are 8 quart and that would give you a 1:2 ratio, which is good but you dont want to go higher than that, I usually do 1:1 or 1:1.5) you would put in a little over a pint of gypsum.
But then again you probably won't use the entire half brick because you are also using verm. So for a 50/50 mix you would use a quarter of the brick and 2 quarts of verm, gypsum stays the same amount. Also I HIGHLY suggest lining the inside of the tub with black trash bags. It will decrease the amount of annoying side pins.
And make sure your polyfilled holes are correct size and right placement
Good luck, keep the board updated
if i do 1:2 it will ony leave about 2" of spawn in my tubs now if i do like 1:3 it will get me closer to my desired 3" now should i just try it or will it be too way much?
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i took the advice of not incubating in the dark and got super early pins with about 25% of the jar colonized. i dont see how incubating in the light is beneficial? all it did was screw my jars up. but i know nothing i only know from my own experience. so please enlighten me
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: Tomkin]
#17275220 - 11/24/12 06:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you got pins at 25% that's from a contamination. Not from the light.
I use tubs the exact same dimension as you and with a 1:2 ratio it's always around 4"
Where are you coming up with this 2" estimate? Are you using the bulk calculator or?
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Break up at 40%, never again.
Use a gypsum. (Between 1 cup to 1 pint, depending on your research.)
Closet doesn't need to be dark.
Don't remove tape until you ATLEAST see knots or pins.
1 lb. of rye berries is about 3 to 3.5 quarts.
I do a 1:3 typically every grow with no issues.
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rsouellette
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Quote:
serotonin storm said:
If you got pins at 25% that's from a contamination. Not from the light.
I use tubs the exact same dimension as you and with a 1:2 ratio it's always around 4"
Where are you coming up with this 2" estimate? Are you using the bulk calculator or?
Yeah im using the web based one is it fucked up? Lol. Ill just do the math my self I guess
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: rsouellette]
#17275816 - 11/24/12 09:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pour water in the tub 1 quart at a time for a rough estimate.
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serotonin storm
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Re: ok so im a noob and need help (maybe) [Re: rsouellette]
#17275834 - 11/24/12 09:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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rsouellette said:
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serotonin storm said:
If you got pins at 25% that's from a contamination. Not from the light.
I use tubs the exact same dimension as you and with a 1:2 ratio it's always around 4"
Where are you coming up with this 2" estimate? Are you using the bulk calculator or?
Yeah im using the web based one is it fucked up? Lol. Ill just do the math my self I guess
I've never used it. Do what hacker says, but also remember that the water is more dense than the coir and spawn mix. The two will be fluffed up a bit with air pockets and what not.
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I've found over the years that 10 quarts of substrate comes out to PERFECT field capacity with 1 gallon of water. But that's only for the things that I use. I tried someone elses recipe and it was way off. Only way to know for sure is to slowly add the water like Hacker said and get your routine figured out.
Also, I don't know if he fixed it or not but things like gypsum don't actually add bulk to the substrate so there isn't any reason to add it to the bulk calculator as they add a percentage on the website but dont actually add anything to the substrate, bulk wise.
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