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Logical Evidence for Existence. 1
#16468182 - 07/01/12 10:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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If something is pondering existence then there must be existence. You do not exist. ------------------------------------------------------ There is not existence.
If something is pondering existence then there must be existence. I am pondering my existence. -------------------------------------------------------------- There must be existence.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16468239 - 07/01/12 11:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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something definitely seems to be going on
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468257 - 07/01/12 11:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does it seem self-evident to you?
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16468305 - 07/01/12 11:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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not sure exactly what you mean but before I create a self there is no self but there is something going on
descartes says I think therefore I am, I would reduce it to "Something seems to be going on"
Yeah its self evident but there is no self.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468347 - 07/01/12 11:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nah, it's not a self, just the formless form of awareness, space for stuff to exist.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468369 - 07/01/12 11:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Freedom said: I create a self
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Sleepwalker]
#16468409 - 07/01/12 11:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Freedom said: I create a self
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468424 - 07/01/12 11:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Freedom said: not sure exactly what you mean but before I create a self there is no self but there is something going on
descartes says I think therefore I am, I would reduce it to "Something seems to be going on"
Yeah its self evident but there is no self.
I did not create myself. I am a product of my environment and circumstances. The decisions I make and the actions I take are the only part of my selfhood that I have control over.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#16468431 - 07/01/12 11:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesn't that kinda sux tho?
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16468437 - 07/02/12 12:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well the I I was refering to was a non I
the concept of self is one thing, the feeling of self is another but experience is just experience without a self
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468442 - 07/02/12 12:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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How is experience achieved?
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16468449 - 07/02/12 12:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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As soon as we start to try to answer that question it seems we have room for error.
My experience is that it just appears
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468454 - 07/02/12 12:06 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Will in choosing the outcome from Schrodinger's Box.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Freedom]
#16468514 - 07/02/12 12:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Freedom said: Well the I I was refering to was a non I
the concept of self is one thing, the feeling of self is another but experience is just experience without a self
I have spent a half hour trying to understand this statement but I still don't get it. It doesn't quite make sense to me. I think it's a left brain thinker kind of thing.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16468528 - 07/02/12 12:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Logical evidence? Is that anything like philosophic evidence?
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16468531 - 07/02/12 12:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, thus the proverb...
Life sucks, and then you die.
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#16468576 - 07/02/12 12:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#16468606 - 07/02/12 01:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said:
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Freedom said: Well the I I was refering to was a non I
the concept of self is one thing, the feeling of self is another but experience is just experience without a self
I have spent a half hour trying to understand this statement but I still don't get it. It doesn't quite make sense to me. I think it's a left brain thinker kind of thing.
i think referencing the I to humanity more or less collective I. I must "eat". etc and i agree with you on the stages of self awareness must recognize there is a self to recognize there is an existence must feel the self to feel life
but doesnt your self lead you to all experience?
i know mine does
or at least the self i recognize and the self that came to be and is forever changing and the self that cannot, not exist it says all my experience is thanks to it
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: just me]
#16468649 - 07/02/12 01:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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That which exist outside the I, I is imaginary. Ever looked into the Cartesian Theater?
That makes it pretty evident imo. The statement has not to do with what you think you are, or what you think of "yourself"(oxymoron implying something separate(Who's self? What's self?)) only existence . . .
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Re: Logical Evidence for Existence. [Re: teknix]
#16469208 - 07/02/12 07:19 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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teknix said: If something is pondering existence then there must be existence. You do not exist. ------------------------------------------------------ There is not existence.
If something is pondering existence then there must be existence. I am pondering my existence. -------------------------------------------------------------- There must be existence.
Yeah things exist it seems. Seems pretty "self evident". My dogs are even aware of existence, at least their actions would indicate that.
Of course there's no way to know for sure. We are not the creators. Maybe this is non-existance. Wouldn't that be a hoot.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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