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 swimmingfast
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#16224896 - 05/13/12 02:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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It does not matter what anyone does or thinks - everything is subjective. Where are the facts and do they even exist? Whatever a persons' decision is it will contribute to a 50/50 balance of positivity and negativity no matter how many times they change their decision. Examples: Where one carnivore exists an herbivore exists - in between exists the omnivore. Decomposers exist when producers exist. Without "X", "Y" does not exist - do you disagree? Oh wait, that question is also subjective. Does anyone believe that a "balance" exists, or is it just a theory?
Edited by swimmingfast (05/13/12 02:41 PM)
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 Buster_Brown
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The balance is 24/1.
Evidence: 24 blackbirds baked in a pie.
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Icelander
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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swimmingfast
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Am I still asking stupid questions?
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Icelander
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No it's not stupid but it's a very old tired topic here. I'm mostly here to entertain myself. Carry on. 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Buster_Brown
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This is your mind.
This is your mind in a social experiment (shroomery)
24/1 seems like overwhelming odds that we will conform. 
Edited by Buster_Brown (05/13/12 03:09 PM)
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swimmingfast
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It seems like most topics (if not all) that are discussed here are subjective and pointless to talk about. The Shroomery is an Ouroboros. Where is the good stuff and does it exist, what subjects are actually meaningful to talk about? See, it all comes back to subjectivity. Why even be here to complete our social experiments - just party and have fun in all your own different ways - end of all discussions.
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DieCommie
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Quote:
swimmingfast said:
It does not matter what anyone does or thinks - everything is subjective. Where are the facts and do they even exist?
Facts exist under or within agreed upon paradigms. They are objective with respect to the axioms of the paradigm with the axioms themselves be subjective (or arbitrary).
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Buster_Brown
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Quote:
swimmingfast said:
Why even be here..
Converts.
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problamon2i
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Quote:
DieCommie said:
Quote:
swimmingfast said:
It does not matter what anyone does or thinks - everything is subjective. Where are the facts and do they even exist?
Facts exist under or within agreed upon paradigms. They are objective with respect to the axioms of the paradigm with the axioms themselves be subjective (or arbitrary).
The facts that came about from the paradigmatic shifts, or an 'event', thus creating an axiomatic Universal, as a knowledge. However the shifts started from a ripple of ones subjective view. So again, it all stumbles back to subjectivity.
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Freedom
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the word fact is a magic spell that allows one to believe
if one believes in facts.
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resonanceinc
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i think subjectivity is an example of infinity.
its a sort of causal loop, a catch 22.
there are many examples of this in the world
i think they are clues aiming towards the infinite nature of the universe.
...and in realizing the infinite nature of the universe, u must realize the infinite nature of yourself. (infinity has no boundaries)
so to the question of "balance". i actually think reality is "imbalanced" because all is possible, and causality is a self imposed illusion.
that may sound like a big few steps... i suspect the biggest is about self imposed illusion.
i would say on that end, that if you try to imagine omnipresence/all-knowing/all-powerful/infinity etc. you will realize that that is true purposelessness. nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing but you.
so self imposed limitation, and/or illusion is then necessary to experience anything.
think of having a dream where you are the only thing that exists. what would you do?
when you dream you must invent characters to interact with.
..and i realize your point about subjectivity and "meaninglessness" of posts on the forum. and i agree that most are superfluous...
i realize also my post is subject to that possibility =)
i am quite skilled in logic and am fairly confident in my assertions. happy to articulate more clearly anything you might have a question about.
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swimmingfast said:
It does not matter what anyone does or thinks - everything is subjective. Where are the facts and do they even exist? Whatever a persons' decision is it will contribute to a 50/50 balance of positivity and negativity no matter how many times they change their decision. Examples: Where one carnivore exists an herbivore exists - in between exists the omnivore. Decomposers exist when producers exist. Without "X", "Y" does not exist - do you disagree? Oh wait, that question is also subjective. Does anyone believe that a "balance" exists, or is it just a theory?
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Rahz
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If we posit that all things are part of the whole (all forms are constituent parts of the universe), then balance or lack of balance in a particular form is illusion. Or is it?
Would it matter if the universe was a perpetual motion machine or not?
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swimmingfast
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Thank you for all of your responses. I am now able to answer my question like all of you have.
My long winded answer:
resonanceinc SAID:
so to the question of "balance". i actually think reality is "imbalanced" because all is possible, and causality is a self imposed illusion.
I SAY:
I can agree with you on that. If we think about the concept of balance (as presented in this thread) it's made up in the first place. One sides' existence only - is possible. "Y" can exist without "X". But, we can't ever determine or measure if something like that exists. Or can we?
If humanity created a Utopia, can a "balance" be described in that concept? If anyone tries to describe the balance it then becomes subjective. So "balance" cannot be described and it doesn't matter. The snake that eats its own tail illustration begins to appear in my mind. Balance (as presented in the manner by this thread) does not exist.
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Freedom
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dynamic instability
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