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 Philosophical Debate about Absurdism 
#16139482 - 04/25/12 08:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would like to discuss Absurdism including the issue of morality and suicide.
I don't quite understand what it means when The philosophy says that suicide is the easiest way out of the Absurd. All comments are appreciated.
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 Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: letholdus]
#16139484 - 04/25/12 08:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Suicide ends your experience. Your experience is what is considered absurd.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: 4896744]
#16139649 - 04/25/12 08:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seems pretty straight forward. 
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Icelander]
#16143182 - 04/26/12 04:22 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Read The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus. The conclusion is that suicide is an escape from the absurd. However, it is not a logical repercussion of accepting the absurdity of reality.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: The_Aviator]
#16143307 - 04/26/12 04:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would guess that without the natural instinct for self preservation innate and without death anxiety most sensitive individuals would quickly off themselves.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Icelander]
#16143332 - 04/26/12 04:58 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would guess that without the natural instinct for self preservation innate and without death anxiety most sensitive individuals would quickly off themselves.
They still do, from time to time.
I enjoy the absurd, but only when it's on my side. 
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Icelander]
#16143723 - 04/26/12 06:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
The_Aviator said:
Read The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus. The conclusion is that suicide is an escape from the absurd. However, it is not a logical repercussion of accepting the absurdity of reality.
I've read some works by Camus but never this. I'll look it up, thanks.
So, suicide is an escape, but it doesn't accept the Absurd? Does it simply ignore it? I hate to ask all these questions and come off as dumb, but I can't seem to understand how you would be acceping reality by offing yourself.Quote:
Icelander said:
I would guess that without the natural instinct for self preservation innate and without death anxiety most sensitive individuals would quickly off themselves.
So do you think this is a flaw in the philosophy, or a flaw in mankind according to the philosophy? I don't really know much about Absurdism which is why I posted this thread.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: letholdus]
#16143747 - 04/26/12 06:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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If it's a flaw it's a flaw in life itself.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Icelander]
#16146567 - 04/27/12 11:17 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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does not absurdity refer to the fact that we are human creatures bound to reality and seeking meaning in our lives without the ability to find any 'true' meaning?
life is inherently absurd, but suicide as a rememdy for the absurdity is even more absurd (according to Camus)...
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: letholdus]
#16146711 - 04/27/12 11:55 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
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I can't seem to understand how you would be acceping reality by offing yourself.
It's about escape, not acceptance.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Sleepwalker]
#16146865 - 04/27/12 12:39 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Albert Camus pointed out that even the escape is without escape when it comes to the absurd. The absurd, to him, lived on despite the person ending his life. In other words, they didn't truly escape the absurd because even in their act the absurd remains. It is a surrender for sure, but the escape is only an illusion..
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: unsui888]
#16146980 - 04/27/12 01:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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unsui888 said:
does not absurdity refer to the fact that we are human creatures bound to reality and seeking meaning in our lives without the ability to find any 'true' meaning?
life is inherently absurd, but suicide as a rememdy for the absurdity is even more absurd (according to Camus)...
Well I hardly see Camus's position being valid just because he says so. Can you tell us why he states that because I don't think he's correct at lest in many cases.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: mikeisapro]
#16147022 - 04/27/12 01:30 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Again, it doesn't matter if the absurd universe still exists when I'm gone. If I no longer experience it, then I have successfully escaped.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Sleepwalker]
#16147063 - 04/27/12 01:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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right
"I" being your personality structure or what some call ego structure. If energy turns out to be aware then there is likely no solution as death will turn into more life made of the same awareness that permeates the universe etc. Lets hope this is not the case.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: mikeisapro]
#16148556 - 04/27/12 07:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
mikeisapro said:
Albert Camus pointed out that even the escape is without escape when it comes to the absurd. The absurd, to him, lived on despite the person ending his life. In other words, they didn't truly escape the absurd because even in their act the absurd remains. It is a surrender for sure, but the escape is only an illusion..
So, the Absurd goes on forever? According to your statement, would there be some sort of "Absurd" afterlife?
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: letholdus]
#16148620 - 04/27/12 07:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's absurd.
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Re: Philosophical Debate about Absurdism [Re: Icelander]
#16148660 - 04/27/12 07:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
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That's absurd.
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