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My thoughts on complexing blotter.
    #16026525 - 03/31/12 09:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I had ran across some 25i freebase in the past and took it by dissolving the compound in ethyl alcohol, then soaking blotter paper in the 25i solution.  I dosed each blotter at roughly 500ug 25I.  My friends and I experienced mixed results, some people had a great experience, others claimed that it was very weak, and few visuals were present.  My experience was so so, and could've been better.  I kept playing with it over a few weeks, but still with mixed results. 

I just recently learned that one needs blotter complexed with HPBCD in order for the 25I freebase to be effective.  Apparently the 25I has a difficult time passing through the skin and into the bloodstream, so HPBCD is required to facilitate this.  I just ordered some HPBCD for this purpose, and am prepared to try a second time. 

From what I understand a good ratio of 25i to hpbcd is 1:9.  For the purpose of even numbers, say I have 100mg 25i, I can mix this with 900mg hpbcd in 50ml or so of everclear.  My question is as follows: would it be acceptable to just lay the appropriate amount of blotter paper in this complexed alcohol solution to achieve quality complexed blotter, or is there another more effective method? 

I have heard of other people wetting their blotter, evenly spreading hpbcd on the surface, and then applying liquid 25I and allowing it to soak.  This may be a great method, but just dipping it in a complexed alcohol solution just seems to be a little easier.

Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated.

edit:  Also, another method that might be effective would be to lay the blotter in a 25I solution as I normally have, then spread a thin layer of hpbcd powder on the surface of the paper while it still is a bit damp (before all the everclear has evaporated).  Just a thought. 

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Re: My thoughts on complexing blotter. [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #16026605 - 03/31/12 09:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

your way IS simpler and easier.

sounds good


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Re: My thoughts on complexing blotter. [Re: leafing]
    #16026622 - 03/31/12 10:00 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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leafing said:
your way IS simpler and easier.

sounds good




Any success personally?

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Re: My thoughts on complexing blotter. [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #16026630 - 03/31/12 10:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i dont do drugs anymore

but i have read extensively on it and heard great results the way you're thinking of doing it.

get back at us


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Re: My thoughts on complexing blotter. [Re: leafing]
    #16026665 - 03/31/12 10:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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leafing said:
i dont do drugs anymore

but i have read extensively on it and heard great results the way you're thinking of doing it.

get back at us


:nyan:





Yeah man, I just didn't get great results from uncomplexed blotter, because I just didn't know that HPBCD was required to make it effective.  Once I get my hpbcd in the mail, I'll do a trip report and note the difference between the two, using the same method of applying the compounds to the paper.  Everything seems to have a learning curve to it.

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Re: My thoughts on complexing blotter. [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #16026683 - 03/31/12 10:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

+1


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Re: My thoughts on complexing blotter. [Re: leafing]
    #16031000 - 04/01/12 08:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Complexing the drug is not your easiest option, and it's completely unnecessary in my experience. Just salt it with an acid, vinegar, citric, muriatic or any other. I made ~650µg blotters of 25i-nbome citrate and they are very effective, strong ++ to +++ for the few people who've tried them, comparable to maybe 100-120µg of acid. Also, no need to keep it more than 10 minutes against your gums, brush your teeth or any other nonsense. I even swallowed my saliva and didn't notice a decrease in potency, so it must be somewhat active orally. But that's only from 4 trials so far, so don't take my word for it.
PM me if you want to know how I proceed exactly, but broadly, you'll have to dissolve your freebase in a solvent (ethanol? a little more than your paper will absorb) with an equimolar/excess amount of acid, stir, fry, enjoy. The best and fastest way to lay blotters is to have a tray the same size as your paper (or the around way around) so you can just soak it and evaporate (I double boil the tray, 25i seems pretty stable).

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