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Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom)
    #15820975 - 02/16/12 09:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone have any experience growing these? I have an agar culture ready to go to grain. Maybe sawdust. I had one grain jar of this stall on me already.


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Re: Hon Shiminji (white beach mushroom) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #15821208 - 02/16/12 10:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've got some experience with Hysizygus tessellatus, although not with the white beech.  But... I have a sneaking suspicion of exactly what company you cloned this mushroom from.  Is it, or is it not, a clone from a store bought bunch of mushrooms?


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Re: Hon Shiminji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Forager]
    #15821879 - 02/17/12 01:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Pardon?

Hon Shimeji should be a Lyophyllum species,
the white beech (Bunapi Shimeji) is like the brown beech (Buna Shimeji) Hypsizygus tessulatus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimeji

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Re: Hon Shiminji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Mycelio]
    #15821893 - 02/17/12 01:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My experience with Hypsizygus tessulatus (Shimeji) is that they need 60-70 days of sitting around colonised before the will fruit. Great mushroom though!


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Re: Hon Shiminji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Mycelio]
    #15822414 - 02/17/12 07:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Pardon?

Hon Shimeji should be a Lyophyllum species,
the white beech (Bunapi Shimeji) is like the brown beech (Buna Shimeji) Hypsizygus tessulatus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimeji

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The white beech mushroom is simply a variety with slightly different pigmentation.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Forager]
    #15822436 - 02/17/12 07:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ya it is Lyophyllum shimeji, they talk about it in GGMM in the section on Buna-shimeji(The Beech Mushroom) Hypsizygus tessulatus. I do get these at work from our mushroom purveyor. They look like this http://natureseason.com/Shimeji.htm
It says to use oak as your bulk sub and grain to sawdust for spawn. Im guessing my first attempt at grain spawn was just flawed with my inexperience. I am going to try bottle fruiting these as i really like them for there tight compact clusters of small individual mushrooms. Very yummy to cook with. Any additional advise is welcome please!


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #15822575 - 02/17/12 08:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you are actually talking about Lyophyllum shimeji, I believe that species is mycorrhizal and thus not feasible for cultivation.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Forager]
    #15822599 - 02/17/12 09:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, they mixed it up completely. Their picture shows Hypsizygus tessulatus. I'm also pretty sure Lyophyllum shimeji is not cultivated commercially as it is mycorrhizal with oak and pine trees.
Chefin, as solarity wrote, you will need lots of patience fruiting them.
Also see here:
http://www.unicornbag.com/cultivation/hyma.shtml
(H. marmoreus = H. tessulatus, sometimes written H. tesselatus)
Sawdust from broadleaf hardwood trees will be fine. Bran can be added, but requires sterile methods.

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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Mycelio]
    #15823200 - 02/17/12 12:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here is another site calling whatever it is im growing Hon Shimeji
http://www.hiwtc.com/products/hon-shimeji-mushroom-6401-31592.htm
These are definitely what i get at work. I have also seen these and the brown capped version at the asian markets i got to.
Whats in a name? So confused. Well im going to go with sterilized oak dust and bran and ill keep you all posted.
Thanks for all your help everyone.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #15823209 - 02/17/12 12:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #15825825 - 02/17/12 10:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

how funny, I was just thumbing through GGMM earlier and these caught my eye.  They're definitely commercially cultivated, in Asia at least, according to GGMM.  They're somewhat preferred to Oysters because of their lower spore-load it said, apparently a richer flavor/texture too.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: BigPharma]
    #15825887 - 02/17/12 11:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ya there one of my favorite. Im getting ready to do an agar to grain transfer so ill keep everyone posted.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #16330353 - 06/04/12 08:10 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

did you ever have any luck with fruiting these mushrooms?  I have a few bags of H tess.  and they are just sitting there. no pinning  or fruiting evident.

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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #16330496 - 06/04/12 09:19 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Mine started pinning in the bag at 8 weeks colonization.  Just put into fruiting yesterday.  Beech mushrooms generally take months to fruit and the mycelium in the block is fragile/softer like lions mane, not hard like king oysters. I've go about 5 strains I'm testing out on sawdust currently, a few white, a few brown, and "gold".  What substrate are you putting them on?


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Aleon]
    #16331141 - 06/04/12 12:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I've go about 5 strains I'm testing out on sawdust currently





I would really like to know how this all goes. I'm sure most would. :smile:


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Ganzig]
    #16331189 - 06/04/12 12:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:
I'd love to see more attempts at shimeji.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Versicolor]
    #16331493 - 06/04/12 02:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Javadog]
    #16332365 - 06/04/12 05:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Ya my one bag on oak has been in the FC for about 2 weeks now after colonizing for nearly 2 months prior. There are just now small "pins?" i think forming on the side of the block.


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #16334864 - 06/05/12 07:09 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

mine look very similiar.  i have them on oak chips and oak sawdust, bran, gypsum.  they are covered with small "bumps" that I hope are primordia, but they are unlike any primordia i have ever seen if they are.  I just moved them into a very humid FC.  I have the cool vaporizer on double time to try to coax them along.  i also have just a bit of trich on them so i feel like time is running out.  these are two months old btw...


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Re: Hon Shimeji (white beach mushroom) [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #16336374 - 06/05/12 02:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you guy are much further along then i was.  mine did have some raise area but no pin.  it sat there for 3 month before it got contaminate.  my block also feel smooth and soft before it got contaminated.  i will be watching  this post to see how you guy do it.

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