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NixxiJ
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possible copelandia cyanescens, UK?
#15468914 - 12/05/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat: West Midlands, UK, Short grass (but no animals graze here that I know of!)
Gills:Dark Brown, not attached (I think - TINY space between end of gills and top of stem?)
Stem: Thin, about 6cm in length, pale brown to beige.
Cap: 3-4 cm diameter, beige with slightly darker margins, conical, convex.
Spore print color: BLACK
Bruising: No - but I picked them yesterday and didn't check when fresh.
No smell to speak of - just a slightly mushroomy smell!
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koraks
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: NixxiJ]
#15468926 - 12/05/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cyanescens is a tropical species. It doesn't occur in the UK in the wild.
Your mushroom looks like a psathyrella species to me.
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m-d-m-a
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: koraks]
#15469057 - 12/05/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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What he said
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Anglerfish
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: koraks]
#15469666 - 12/05/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: Panaeolus cyanescens is a tropical species. It doesn't occur in the UK in the wild.
This is quite obvious, yet it is listed in the "Mushrooms by state/area"-list:
England (United Kingdom)
Conocybe kuehneriana Copelandia cyanescens < Gymnopilus junonius Gymnopilus purpuratus Gymnopilus sp. Inocybe corydalina var. corydalina Inocybe haemacta Panaeolus castaneifolius Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus fimicola Panaeolus olivaceus Panaeolus retirugis Panaeolus sp. Pluteus salicinus Psilocybe cyanescens Psilocybe fimetaria Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe strictipes
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Anglerfish]
#15469721 - 12/05/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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koraks said: Panaeolus cyanescens is a tropical species. It doesn't occur in the UK in the wild.
This is quite obvious, yet it is listed in the "Mushrooms by state/area"-list:
England (United Kingdom)
Conocybe kuehneriana Copelandia cyanescens < Gymnopilus junonius Gymnopilus purpuratus Gymnopilus sp. Inocybe corydalina var. corydalina Inocybe haemacta Panaeolus castaneifolius Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus fimicola Panaeolus olivaceus Panaeolus retirugis Panaeolus sp. Pluteus salicinus Psilocybe cyanescens Psilocybe fimetaria Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe strictipes
I think might just be a error. I heard a story once of a lady buying dung from a zoo and spreading it over her yard as a fertilizer, later a passer by noticed some Copelandia cyanescens growing from her yard.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: koraks]
#15469954 - 12/05/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: Panaeolus cyanescens is a tropical species. It doesn't occur in the UK in the wild.
It does according to Keay & Brown 1990, and that is why it is on the list. If anyone has access to that article please PM me.
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vjp
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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koraks said: Panaeolus cyanescens is a tropical species. It doesn't occur in the UK in the wild.
It does according to Keay & Brown 1990, and that is why it is on the list. If anyone has access to that article please PM me.
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Fronnis
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You shouldn't be expecting to be finding Panaeolus cyanescens in England, and most definitely not in December xD. I know that the "Leicestershire and Rutland Environmental Records Centre" dataset reports a finding near Coventry. There have been been findings this year as north as (south) Switzerland this year, but it's known for them to sometimes grow when the conditions are right by the mountains around there.
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Fronnis]
#15471556 - 12/05/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know stamets has seen them in the pnw once and ive seen a picture of ,i think Michael Beugs, pnw Pan cyan as well. and we have similiar climates.
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Alan Rockefeller
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psylosymonreturns said: i know stamets has seen them in the pnw once and ive seen a picture of ,i think Michael Beugs, pnw Pan cyan as well. and we have similiar climates.
Those were probably Copelandia bispora.
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koraks
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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koraks said: Panaeolus cyanescens is a tropical species. It doesn't occur in the UK in the wild.
It does according to Keay & Brown 1990, and that is why it is on the list. If anyone has access to that article please PM me.
I just looked through that article (full text) quickly, but copelandia/panaeolus cyanescens isn't mentioned in it.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: koraks]
#15473166 - 12/06/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: I just looked through that article (full text) quickly, but copelandia/panaeolus cyanescens isn't mentioned in it.
I couldn't find it either. I wonder if there is some other source which says that or it is just a mistake. It lists that as the reference in "A Worldwide Distribution of Neurotropic Fungi." Perhaps they published something else as well in 1990?
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koraks
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Well, scholar.google.com doesn't really come up with anything relevant.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: koraks]
#15473181 - 12/06/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: Well, scholar.google.com doesn't really come up with anything relevant.
Allright, that does it. I removed Copelandia cyanescens from the UK list until someone can find a solid reference that it does occur there.
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psylosymonreturns
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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psylosymonreturns said: i know stamets has seen them in the pnw once and ive seen a picture of ,i think Michael Beugs, pnw Pan cyan as well. and we have similiar climates.
Those were probably Copelandia bispora.
why is that?
but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?
http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm
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Ieponumos
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psylosymonreturns said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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psylosymonreturns said: i know stamets has seen them in the pnw once and ive seen a picture of ,i think Michael Beugs, pnw Pan cyan as well. and we have similiar climates.
Those were probably Copelandia bispora.
why is that?
but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?
http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm
That picture is tripping me out!!! Seriously, if one can find a Pan cyan in that kind of wether, wtf is stopping it from popping up around here?
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TimmiT
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psylosymonreturns said: but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?
http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm
That pic doesn't look like Pan cyanenscens to me either. It looks much closer to Pan cinctulus.
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Ieponumos
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: TimmiT]
#15474185 - 12/06/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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TimmiT said:
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psylosymonreturns said: but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?
http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm
That pic doesn't look like Pan cyanenscens to me either. It looks much closer to Pan cinctulus.
Could be that bluing strain of P. cinctulus or perhaps something undescribed. I will admit that the stem is meatier and the still hydrated caps too dark for cyans, but that bluing is so intense. If those are subbs, they are some of the most potent ones in this world.
Now that I look at it though, one thing that really seems off is the picture of the surrounding habitat.
It looks like wood chips that they're coming out of, despite his description of the habitat being dung/pastures.
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amilibertine
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Ieponumos]
#15474208 - 12/06/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said:
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TimmiT said:
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psylosymonreturns said: but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?
http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm
That pic doesn't look like Pan cyanenscens to me either. It looks much closer to Pan cinctulus.
Could be that bluing strain of P. cinctulus or perhaps something undescribed. I will admit that the stem is meatier and the still hydrated caps too dark for cyans, but that bluing is so intense. If those are subbs, they are some of the most potent ones in this world.
Now that I look at it though, one thing that really seems off is the picture of the surrounding habitat.
It looks like wood chips that they're coming out of, despite his description of the habitat being dung/pastures.
I was thinking the same thing about the substrate. I just gonna put this out there but those gills look an awful lot like Psilocybe gills to me.
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Ieponumos
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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: amilibertine]
#15474233 - 12/06/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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amilibertine said:
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Ieponumos said:
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TimmiT said:
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psylosymonreturns said: but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?
http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm
That pic doesn't look like Pan cyanenscens to me either. It looks much closer to Pan cinctulus.
Could be that bluing strain of P. cinctulus or perhaps something undescribed. I will admit that the stem is meatier and the still hydrated caps too dark for cyans, but that bluing is so intense. If those are subbs, they are some of the most potent ones in this world.
Now that I look at it though, one thing that really seems off is the picture of the surrounding habitat.
It looks like wood chips that they're coming out of, despite his description of the habitat being dung/pastures.
I was thinking the same thing about the substrate. I just gonna put this out there but those gills look an awful lot like Psilocybe gills to me.
Looking a the concentric rings on the pilei, I'm thinking Panaeolus.
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