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myceliumaster
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Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber
#15445629 - 11/30/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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When using the perlite shotgun fruiting chamber as described by Roger Rabbit, is it necessary to mist the cakes before each fanning/air exchange (2-3 times per day), or only when the dunked and rolled cakes are initially placed in the chamber? I've heard directly misting the cakes can hurt the mycelium and delay pin set, and the information I have founds seems contradictory or incomplete. If misting is necessary at each air exchange to replenish lost moisture, should the perlite get sprayed, rather than the cakes?
Anybody with direct experience or information regarding this could be of great help. Thanks
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Hesy-Ra
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: myceliumaster]
#15445666 - 11/30/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe a properly built and used SGFC should be self sustaining. If you grow area is extra dry you may need to mist. If you have it locked in a closet you may need to fan. If it's in a comfortably humid room with with air circulation you should be able to set it and forget it.
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Hesy-Ra]
#15446093 - 11/30/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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is it necessary to mist the cakes before each fanning/air exchange (2-3 times per day),
Yes, you'll need to mist a few times daily for best performance. A good rule of thumb is if you're getting the proper amount of fresh air exchange for maximum pinning and yield, your substrates will need misting three or more times daily. RR
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Hesy-Ra
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15446158 - 11/30/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR
I believed the point of drilling ALL them darn holes was to produce the optimal FAE through the chamber and Perlite which keeps the humidity and moisture optimal (in an optimal setting).
RR said.
"Why are you guys worried about humidity in a shotgun terrarium? Don't run a fan in the room with a shotgun. It will disturb the natural air currents and impede proper operation.
No, you're misting to replace the moisture which evaporates out of the cakes. This evaporation is the number one pinning trigger. The perlite supplies humidity and the holes on all six sides supply fresh air. If you run a fan or pipe in a humidifier, you run the risk of upsetting the natural balance, and either flooding or drying out your terrarium, both of which will reduce performance. RR"
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Edited by Hesy-Ra (11/30/11 05:38 PM)
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Hesy-Ra]
#15446184 - 11/30/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think that the idea is that the perlite and SGFC design maintain the humidity of the air in the fruiting chamber where misting replaces moisture that has evaporated from the cake.
Take care,
JD
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Hesy-Ra
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Javadog]
#15446235 - 11/30/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Isn't that why you dunk the cakes after birthing and between flushes?
Glad this is coming up. I did a couple bulk mono's and was planning on going to a SGFC and making smaller bulk trays to place inside. (To reduce/eliminate the need to mist/fan)
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Hesy-Ra]
#15446398 - 11/30/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hesy-Ra said: Isn't that why you dunk the cakes after birthing and between flushes?
Water will still evaporate from the cakes, and if it not replenished, they will become far too dehydrated to perform well. This happened to me when my room mate was taking care of my cakes while I was out of town. He did not mist as much as I asked him to, and after a week I returned to cakes that were bone dry, even after a proper dunking before I left.
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myceliumaster
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: RoastedPete]
#15446829 - 11/30/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay sounds good, so assertions that direct misting damages the mycelium and delays pinning is false? If there's any truth to it, what is the best way to rehydrate the substrate while avoiding damaging the mycelium? Should I mist upwards and away and let the mist fall onto the cakes, rather then spray them directly?
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Dudester67
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: myceliumaster]
#15447438 - 11/30/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hesy-Ra said:? Glad this is coming up. I did a couple bulk mono's and was planning on going to a SGFC and making smaller bulk trays to place inside. (To reduce/eliminate the need to mist/fan)
I'd advise against that, especially if that's your reason. As javadog said, misting is for rehydrating the surface of the mycelium and will benefit your grow whether you're doing a mono or cakes (*unless you're providing so little fresh air that moisture can't evaporate- then don't mist). But you're right that if the SGFC works as it is purported to, the constant air exchange would eliminate the need for extra fanning, but NOT the need for misting, in fact it would force the need for misting. Get it?
Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
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myceliumaster said: what is the best way to rehydrate the substrate while avoiding damaging the mycelium? Should I mist upwards and away and let the mist fall onto the cakes, rather then spray them directly?
A GREAT investment is a pump sprayer like the Misty Mate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mistymate-Cool-Blast-Personal-Mister-Mist-Air-Cooler-cool-tie-purple-/230710609971?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b76c8833#ht_1307wt_1152 ^ I've had that model for years and it is fantastic.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: myceliumaster]
#15447485 - 11/30/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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myceliumaster said: Okay sounds good, so assertions that direct misting damages the mycelium and delays pinning is false? If there's any truth to it, what is the best way to rehydrate the substrate while avoiding damaging the mycelium? Should I mist upwards and away and let the mist fall onto the cakes, rather then spray them directly?
We've known for years that misting does not damage the mycelium, and in fact is required for best results. That's disinformation from the early days when they didn't know about proper fresh air exchange. RR
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Dudester67]
#22637077 - 12/10/15 04:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dudester67 said:
Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
Anyone else tried this?
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Aliasbane
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Fancy Feast]
#22637160 - 12/10/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fancy Feast said:
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Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
Anyone else tried this?
Dont try that(well you could),but just follow the TEK!
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Fancy Feast]
#22638972 - 12/10/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
Anyone else tried this?
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Fancy Feast]
#22639134 - 12/10/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fancy Feast said:
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Dudester67 said:
Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
Anyone else tried this?
bump
Why ?
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: Dudester67]
#23138557 - 04/20/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dudester67 said:
Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
Yessssss!!!
-------------------- [quote]Dudester67 said: Here's a tip for all of these "when to mist?"-"when to fan?"-"when to dunk?" questions: Try growing mushroom while on mushrooms. The mycelium will let you know precisely what is needed. I'm serious.
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Re: Perlite Shotgun Fruiting Chamber [Re: 420MEDSUPPLY]
#23138928 - 04/20/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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