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erasing memories from the collective consciousness
    #15337760 - 11/07/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

if you could erase any memory from the collective consciousness what would it be?

i personally would erase all memory of sarah jessica parker so her career and subsequent tv shows and movies would be forgotten forever!


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

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everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

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euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

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if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: blingbling]
    #15337832 - 11/07/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

hahhaaha :burn:
I would erase the memory of  all languages.
Now that would be weird, the whole world learning to talk again only nobody would be there to teach us.
How long do you think it would take us to get a decent language going?


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: spoonbomb]
    #15337851 - 11/07/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

honestly i don't think it would take very long but civilization would breakdown and it would be absolute anarchy for while.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: blingbling]
    #15337926 - 11/07/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

hmmm I wonder if society would break down without language. How much of society is language anyway?
Is your username inspired by blingbling the crack addict?


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: spoonbomb]
    #15337965 - 11/07/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We would relearn how to read body language and facial expression and stop letting shit fall from our mouths i would even go as far as saying we would gain the ability of telepathy if we erased language.


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: spoonbomb]
    #15337993 - 11/07/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah it is  :gameover:


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: spoonbomb]
    #15338004 - 11/07/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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hmmm I wonder if society would break down without language. How much of society is language anyway?


Society's stability seems to be largely dependent on communication... without communication, many of society's institutions would completely fail IMO.


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: blingbling]
    #15338022 - 11/07/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i would erase the sense of individual self from the collective :sun:


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338026 - 11/07/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Why?


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: Poid]
    #15338033 - 11/07/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i think it would be nice :pimpin:

i think the majority of mental suffering stems from the sense of separate self

plus i think it would increase empathy and community and other nice things

tho actually, i would only do it to each being if they consented, which thinking about it probably most wouldn't :lol:


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338053 - 11/07/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

that's ridiculous. everyone would be the same... what a boring world that would be.  might as well turn us into robots.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: blingbling]
    #15338058 - 11/07/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm... this is a very, very interesting question. :strokebeard:

I'll have to get back to you on this.


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: blingbling]
    #15338076 - 11/07/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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that's ridiculous. everyone would be the same... what a boring world that would be.  might as well turn us into robots.




i didn't say it would be a popular idea :lol:

i think we would more wake up into the unity of all things, while still each having different abilities/traits/etc - i don't think it would be boring or robotic personally, and i think it would relieve much suffering, but to each his own :cheers:


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338090 - 11/07/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it might be good if you got rid of some individualistic traits but that would probably bring about just as many problems as it solves.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338104 - 11/07/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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i think it would be nice :pimpin:

i think the majority of mental suffering stems from the sense of separate self


What makes you think that? I think the majority of mental suffering stems from our inability to effectively deal with our emotions... I don't think being stripped of our sense of self would make us better at dealing with our emotions.


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plus i think it would increase empathy and community and other nice things


I don't see how stripping people of their sense of self would increase empathy and community... might you explain how that works?


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: Poid]
    #15338242 - 11/07/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i agree about the suffering caused by emotions, but i think all emotions stem from a sense of self. what do you think? without a sense of self there would be no separation between "self" and "other", no split between oneself and the rest of the universe. in such a state, how could there be emotions? at least not the emotions we're used to while in a dualistic mindset caused by a sense of separate self

i notice as i reduce my clinging to a sense of self, i suffer less. i don't get annoyed, i don't get mentally fixated on things, and overall i'm happier. there's a sense of oneness and unity of experience which is quite peaceful. might be different for others, but the logic behind it makes sense to me

as for increasing empathy and community... my logic behind this is that a major detractor from these are a sense that others are separate from you, and from this comes competition, indifference, and other things. when you have a sense of self, you simultaneously have a sense of "not-self", and usually everything else in the universe outside your body and thoughts fall into this. if there's no sense of self, there can't be a sense of other, so the mental distancing we have with other people would fall away. people would realize their oneness with the person they're communicating with as the dualistic overlay in perception would have fallen away. i think this would reduce disputes, and a "me versus them" attitude. also, if there's no experience of a self, one wouldn't be in the normal attitude of putting their "self interest" above others as there would be no "self interest", there would just be the unimpeded flow of effortless action/interaction. but i could be wrong!


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338280 - 11/07/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I honestly can't think of anything I'd want to erase. I think we've earned everything we're living with today. If I erased something it would just hide the human race from its own retardation. How is that going to help anything?


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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338286 - 11/07/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i think we are separate from other people but connected through shared meaning and that a world without individual self's and self interestes would be a short one for the human race because there would be no one to argue against bad ideas.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: deff]
    #15338290 - 11/07/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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i agree about the suffering caused by emotions, but i think all emotions stem from a sense of self. what do you think? without a sense of self there would be no separation between "self" and "other", no split between oneself and the rest of the universe. in such a state, how could there be emotions?


I'm failing to see how our emotions stem from our sense of self... I think the brain regions associated with emotions could be activated even if we didn't have a sense of self. I don't see how lacking a sense of self would prevent those brain regions from being activated.


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at least not the emotions we're used to while in a dualistic mindset caused by a sense of separate self


Well what kinds of emotions do you think we'd experience if we didn't have a sense of self?


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i notice as i reduce my clinging to a sense of self, i suffer less. i don't get annoyed, i don't get mentally fixated on things, and overall i'm happier. there's a sense of oneness and unity of experience which is quite peaceful. might be different for others, but the logic behind it makes sense to me


Lots of people find ways to suffer less without being detached from their sense of self... in fact, lots of people are happy because they have a confident sense of self.


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as for increasing empathy and community... my logic behind this is that a major detractor from these are a sense that others are separate from you, and from this comes competition, indifference, and other things. when you have a sense of self, you simultaneously have a sense of "not-self", and usually everything else in the universe outside your body and thoughts fall into this. if there's no sense of self, there can't be a sense of other, so the mental distancing we have with other people would fall away. people would realize their oneness with the person they're communicating with as the dualistic overlay in perception would have fallen away. i think this would reduce disputes, and a "me versus them" attitude.


I think it makes sense that it would reduce disputes, but I don't really agree that it would increase empathy...

Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another; if there is no self, and no other, then how can one understand and share the feelings of another?

Also, if emotions (i.e. feelings) stem from a sense of self, and if nobody has a sense of self, then there would be no emotions (i.e. feelings) to understand and share (and as a result, there would be no empathy).


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also, if there's no experience of a self, one wouldn't be in the normal attitude of putting their "self interest" above others as there would be no "self interest", there would just be the unimpeded flow of effortless action/interaction.


How could we survive if we had no self-interest whatsoever?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: erasing memories from the collective consciousness [Re: blingbling]
    #15338296 - 11/07/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

this video clip is a good example of what i'm trying to convey



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