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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii * 8
    #15297967 - 10/30/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii.  Purchased from Mazatec indians in Huautla de Jiménez, Oaxaca, Mexico on Oct. 25.
















microscopy notes



microscopy notes



The one that was examined



pileipellis, pileus trama 40x



pileipellis, pileus trama 100x



pleurocystidia 1000x



pleurocystidia 1000x



pleurocystidia 1000x



pleurocystidia 1000x



pleurocystidia 1000x



basidia 1000x



cheilocystidia 1000x



cheilocystidia 1000x



pileipellis cross section 1000x  (an ixocutis)



cap cross section, just underneath the pileipellis. 1000x



pileus trama 1000x



pileus trama 1000x



an irregularly shaped spore.



an irregularly shaped spore.



spores 1000x



spores 1000x



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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15297986 - 10/30/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:handth:

Wow!

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15297988 - 10/30/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That looks CRAZY!! Very nice man!


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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: PandemicFlu]
    #15297990 - 10/30/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You're the greatest Alan! :bow2: :congrats:


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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15297991 - 10/30/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome stuff! :bow2:

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15298036 - 10/30/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Purchased from Mazatec indians in Huautla de Jiménez, Oaxaca, Mexico on Oct. 25.




This part alone is badass enough! How did this go down? There are still Mazatec Indians who know where these mushrooms are? Do they realize that these are magic? Or were they just vendors with a bunch of random mushrooms for sale?

Awesome looking mushrooms, btw. Great color, cool shape, they just look so cool.

Edited by nooneman (10/30/11 01:27 AM)

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #15298040 - 10/30/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Very nice! I guess you didn't find any of your own? At any rate you're supporting the local economy :wink:


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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: nooneman] * 3
    #15298116 - 10/30/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Purchased from Mazatec indians in Huautla de Jiménez, Oaxaca, Mexico on Oct. 25.




This part alone is badass enough! How did this go down?




It is very late in the season and all the shamans in the city that we spoke with had only fresh san isidro (Psilocybe cubensis).

We were eating tacos last night and a little kid (must have been about ten) saw my fungi.com sweatshirt and asked if we wanted to buy mushrooms. He took us to his mom, a Mazatec shaman. As we followed them back to their house we asked him if he had tried the mushrooms. The kid said he had eaten them four times and it was chido (great). She said that the only mushrooms she had were San Isidro’s, but we told her we were only interested in derrumbes. She left and returned with a few old black mushrooms that smelled like ammonia and were wrapped in a banana leaf. She became angry when we told her they were rotten. She insisted that they were not at all spoiled and were perfectly fine. She didn’t smile anymore after that. She wanted 150 pesos for them which we thought was expensive. I kept trying to buy just one or two but she insisted on selling the whole bananna leaf full. We ended up giving her 50 pesos.  She told us to come back in the morning and she would get some fresher ones from other shamans.

We stayed the night with a different shaman.  In the morning on the way to her house a lady who looked like Maria Sabina asked us if we wanted mushrooms.  We said "Only Derrumbes, not San Isidro".  She sold us a few dried derrumbes for like $4, and said her sister had fresh ones.  We found her sister working in a store that had huge blue mushrooms painted on the front of it.  She had a tupperware of what looked like P. zapotecorum with an annulus, fresh.  We bought those and they turned out to be P. chaconii.

Even though we had several new collections we continued on to the place that the little kid brought us to.  Here are some pictures from the room where we bought the hoogshagenii:



Ten minutes later the lady showed up and brought a bag with 5 large leaves that had fresh mushrooms inside them.  We unwrapped the leaves and could hardly believe our eyes - They contained 4 or 5 species of Psilocybe along with two pins of Lacrymaria velutina.  There were 14 fruit bodies of the hoogshagenii, ten P. caerulescens, and two new species.

They wanted $50 for them, which is expensive, but given what they were selling, it was an amazing deal.

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There are still Mazatec Indians who know where these mushrooms are?





Yes.  Most of the people in that area of Oaxaca (sierra mazateca) are Mazatec indians.  Most of them don't know English or Spanish and instead speak their native language of Mazatec.

We are going to get some books on the Mazatec language so we can talk to them more when we come back next June.

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Do they realize that these are magic? Or were they just vendors with a bunch of random mushrooms for sale?




They know they are magic but didn't realize how rare the mushrooms they were getting are.

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Very nice! I guess you didn't find any of your own?





We searched for four days in some really cool places, but didn't see any Psilocybes.  We did find some cool mushrooms and the entrance to America's deepest cave.

We were hunting mushrooms along a remote river in San Agustin and Cactu noticed that the river went into nowhere - The canyon was a dead end with cliffs where the river should exit. We followed it to a place where the water fell hundreds of feet into the ground. We sat on the edge and took some pictures. Words can't express the feeling of standing near the edge of a massive cavern, deep in the subtropical vegetation with about a hundred gallons of water per second falling into it.

This cave:

http://www.usdct.org/huautla94.php
http://www.usdct.org/huautla94-photos.php


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At any rate you're supporting the local economy





Its nice to directly support these people, they don't have it easy these days.  Things were pretty cool for them until around 1500 when the Spanish arrived and built christian churches on top of their pyramids.

The other day we bought some very umbonate derrumbes from a lady who was probably about 22. We stopped to ask her directions and she offered mushrooms. Her house was really cool, there was corn hanging everywhere. She was only about 4 feet tall and could walk under it, but we kept hitting our heads on the maize as we were looking at the mushrooms. I wish I had a picture, but it was her kitchen/bedroom too so I didn’t want to photograph it. She was really nice and let us pick out all the little pointy ones, and only charged us 30 pesos.  They call the hoogshagenii type parajitos there, which means little birds, but its a different species than the parajitos all over the rest of mexico, which are P. mexicana.

Yesterday we left sierra mazateca and headed towards Oaxaca city.  After a bit of driving we noticed the indians looked different and spoke a different language.  After a bit more driving we got into the area of the Zapotec indians, and now we are in Oaxaca city, which is huge and really nice.  Lots of good food and nightlife.  Its halloween and everyone has crazy costumes.

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15298126 - 10/30/11 02:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

livin the good life my friend
:cheers:

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: World of Echo]
    #15298206 - 10/30/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Great to hear the full story Alan! Wow, what a find! :smile:

Would also like to hear more about the new species when you have analyzed them.

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15298229 - 10/30/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That is an epic, epic story, Alan. You're getting to actually do all of the things that us mere mortals can only dream of. Man, you're really living the good life. Sounds like an awesome place. I can't believe so many people were randomly offering you mushrooms for sale. Just amazing, makes me want to travel there... Desperately.
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Seriously though, that sounds like one hell of a time you're having. Once in a lifetime kind of experience, except that you're going to do it more than once! It's really great to hear that the traditions about these mushrooms are still (in some form) continuing and being passed down generation after generation.

I also can't help but notice that someone wrote "sgt. peppers lonely hearts club band" on that door...
:awebig:

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: knarkkorven]
    #15298235 - 10/30/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That such a wicked story man! i realy enojoy the art work as well. thank you so much for sharing those pics!!

do you have pics of P chaconii ?

and what are the other 2 new species??


congrats on at least getting your hands on some Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii . funny that its easier to buy your self a new species than find it!! :lol:


great post Alan, looking forward to more pics from this trip :smile:


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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15298383 - 10/30/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Mazatec indians in Huautla de Jiménez, Oaxaca, Mexico on Oct. 25.



spores 1000x




mad props alan! :toast:

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: cc2]
    #15298401 - 10/30/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the story Alan!

I can't put into words how much I enjoyed it to tell ya the truth. Keep up the good work:thumbup:

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #15298508 - 10/30/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Always a miracle Alan!
fantastic :heart:


just a few notes:

http://mushroomobserver.org/images/960/177687.jpg

the 2 mushrooms from the right...

http://mushroomobserver.org/images/960/177689.jpg

...the 1st from the left...


http://mushroomobserver.org/images/640/178006.jpg

...and this friend seem to have a not very distinctive papilla as it is usual for hoogshagenii. maybe it´s semperviva?

Edited by Entersandman (10/30/11 07:47 AM)

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Entersandman]
    #15298519 - 10/30/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome post Alan.


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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: jet li]
    #15298537 - 10/30/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wonderful the way things happen sometimes!  What a cool story! 

Hey, did they let you sign the door?

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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15298541 - 10/30/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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...when we come back next June.





i may create another praying thread to join you next June :hehehe: :biggrin: :grin:

it seems
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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15298815 - 10/30/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:awesome: This is such a cool species. Thanks for sharing the awesome story


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Re: Psilocybe hoogshagenii var. hoogshagenii [Re: TimmiT]
    #15298879 - 10/30/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is truely amazing stuff. The story blows my mind. It's really cool you get to do this kind of thing, and it's really cool that this is the type of thing you chose to do. For that I thank you. :bow2:


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