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akira_akuma said:
sure. but how long does that last? =\

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OrgoneConclusion said:
And if you are not tripping with your cat on your synth...

Think I will go play my Ensoniq Fizmo.

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crumblebum said:
As an egotistical narcissist, I'd love to see the questions raised in my last post. So do it. I mean. If you want to. Whatever.  I don't care ya know becauseOH PLEASE TALK TO ME I'M SO LONELY

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LOL

I use to wallow in my shit and enjoy life anyway. But eventually i wanted to kill myself once I realized I also didn't have a single worthwhile relationship, no job, skipping class constantly, etc.
Some people have tools and can afford to be a shit-wallower and still get all their needs met.
But i was a shit-wallower AND didn't have any charisma, wit, communication skills, motivation, interest in anything other than video games, generosity, empathy...
So I learned that shit-wallowing wasn't worth it, because developing all those aforementioned things required me to have hope
Now i'm idealistic most of the time and can't help it

so a dose of nihilism here and there may always be necessary to keep me on my toes

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crumblebum said:
You misunderstand. Step one is to realize that the world is made of shit. Step two is to try and understand that from the perspective of the macrocosm, filth and flowers are identical. Beauty is shit and shit is beauty. So, to view the world properly, to experience it properly, one must first acknowledge that the universe is a meaningless void full of shit, fire, death, and overdraft charges on your debt card when you buy DLC for Bethesda games and forget that you are broke as fuck.

This, in addition to the pleasant things in life, is a big wet pile of shit. To achieve the near enlightenment that I've set myself to, I must come to a state where I feel the same sense of wonder about the rotting, mutilated corpse of my mother is just as breathtakingly beautiful as a grove of sakura cherry trees in full blossom. I don't think I have to state that I am many decades away from that enlightenment if it should even be achieved during my lifetime.

It's pretty succinctly described in a single hindu syllogism. held by only a handful of sects:

God is the sum of all things that exist;
God is perfect;
∴ the sum of all things that exist are perfect.

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I totally agree with this. You gotta take the good with the bad. That duality in and of itself is just a human construct anyway; everything is just one thing that our brains break into parts. that syllogism speaks the truth.

But there's uses that this talent of the brain could be used for - to ultimately make mankind's time on here less destructive, more conscious and longer-lasting. Self-development, bettering communities, strengthening human relationships, making decisions and supporting causes that strive to integrate what can be learned from the understanding you speak of into preventing some of the physical, structural obstacles that are breeding dysfunction and making it all the more harder for other individuals to understand it themselves, as if it's not difficult enough to grasp as it is already.

This pursuit requires establishing that option a) leads to more overall happiness than option b) and thus requires a distinction between bad and good and how close given options lean towards one rather than the other. And to pursue the latter rather than the former requires the faith/hope that the latter can be achieved, which is why I don't think the shit-wallowing should be an endpoint, not that it's not an important thing to aknowledge always as an efficient means of not letting the brain or ego get carried away running the show, which frequently leads to compromising the goals that I proposed we use our brains for in the past paragraph.

Of course, you mentioned the shit-wallowing is just step one, and step two is the point. But to do away with all conception of bad and good would lead to complete inactivity - the paradox of complete enlightenment is that it's functionally useless, if such a thing is even possible. Is that really anything more than self-serving, with how far away our species as a whole is from being completely enlightened? I'm assuming here that such a thing is possible, of course, which is my point. I'm able to assume it and want to use my energies to pursue it by having hope and imagination for a better future, not by being resigned to the complete perfection/shittyness of the present.

I think it ultimately has to be a balance, like everything 

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crumblebum said:
UNLESS...

You're using an alternate definition of "living", which I have to assume. Further, given the little pile of inspirational quotes and life advice, you refer to a specific lifestyle. Probably the one you like.

So that more or less breaks the sentiment down to:

"Have similar or identical life experiences to me so that you will make the SAME assumptions about it as I do."

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That's pretty much what I was going to say. If you're alive enough to read this thread, you're alive. I agree that you can block yourself from a lot of good experiences through assumptions, ideations, and "that's not me"-type behaviour, to me that seems like the ego overdoing it - it functions largely as a survival mechanism, being as stated seems to be a result of shields that are unnecessarily sensitive/high or tuned too tightly or something, likely due to neurotic tendencies/conditioning about certain things in life. I can't help but wonder what assumptions you made in writing this thread though.

Sweet sig too.