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What is this next to the Liberty Caps?
    #15121514 - 09/23/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I was out today picking (I mean - LOOKING at) Liberty Caps. :smile:  This one section of the field was covered with them,
and I almost started picking these which were in the same area of the pasture. But at second look, I thought, no, these aren't libs.
I'm waiting on a spore print now.  But thought I would post the pics and see if anyone could possibly ID them. 

I could be wrong... :shrug: maybe these are LC (in which case I'll head back to the field) but there appeared to be something different about them.

thanks for the assist!



 






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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: innerview]
    #15121542 - 09/23/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure exactly which specimen it is that you're talking about.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: elprawn]
    #15121552 - 09/23/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

looks like it could be P. subfimetaria or P. stunzii

You should spore print a few of them and see what color the print turns out.


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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: jet li]
    #15121581 - 09/23/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Not sure exactly which specimen it is that you're talking about.



Hi elprawn. All of those in the pics are the same specimen. Growing like LC, near LC but, I don't think are LC.


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looks like it could be P. subfimetaria or P. stunzii

You should spore print a few of them and see what color the print turns out.



jet li, Printing 2 now...  hoping it doesn't take too, too long.


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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: innerview]
    #15121587 - 09/23/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Stropharia semiglobata is also a potential candidate, although the cap looks a tad too pointed for that.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: koraks]
    #15121622 - 09/23/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'd call them liberty caps but probably because it's the closest thing that I've found.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: elprawn]
    #15121650 - 09/23/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd call them liberty caps but probably because it's the closest thing that I've found.



Could be... could be. The other suggestions don't seem to fit.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: innerview]
    #15121751 - 09/23/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like some pan to me


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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: HarryL]
    #15122168 - 09/23/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

actually, the third photo looks like liberty to me, and the others maybe pans

but you can get odd looking liberty caps too. One fairly easy way to distinguish is that libertys are almost always more rubbery to the feel, and tougher, and more fibrous stem

pans and other field delicate little mushrooms will usually fall apart in your fingers much easier..libertys also have a unique smell, which is nearly always a bit stronger than the pans and other field fungi

the ones in the third photo at least have a definite nipple too.

in the wet stage, liberty caps usually have a gelatin like membrane on the cap you can peel off (which goes away when it dries and turns white). but in both wet and dry stages, liberty caps are almost always tougher and more fibrous to the feel than the other little field fungi

of course, the spore print is most important if in doubt. liberty caps are purple brown and fairly dark, and pans can be dark too

I think a few of the ones in teh first photo near the bottom are libertys too...But I can tell easy if I handled them

I' think a lot more photos would help if it's this close

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: auweia]
    #15122312 - 09/23/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, auweia!  I have a feeling that you and elprawn may have called it right.  I went back just a bit ago and picked all of them in that grouping. I think they are odd looking LCs.  Let me know what you think...

Here are some more photos...
















Thanks for all your help and advice!

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: innerview]
    #15122328 - 09/23/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Do spore prints... Can sort out what is and isn't a liberty cap

Also... Pretty much whatever elprawn says is right... Just my experience with him


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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: HarryL]
    #15122354 - 09/23/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

2nd to the last pic...and 2nd pic is almost all libertys

they're just dried out...It can get a little tricky sometimes when they get dried out cause pans can look like thatb too a bit when they dry out..But those look like liberty caps to me

the other photos a bit harder to tell tho, but if you see they're all the same species, it's probably libertys


you get more of a white stem on libertys when they dry out too, especially with a flash camera. Pan stems usually stay more brown even when drier

most of the ones in the first pic too (second set)///they're just drying out and a few oddball rounded shapes is not unusual for liberty

just watch out for any cinnamon or brown colored gills and spores. those might be harmful

even if some are pans with black spores, they won't do much

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: HarryL]
    #15122374 - 09/23/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Do spore prints... Can sort out what is and isn't a liberty cap



I have 6 of them printing now.
but what do you make of the spores on the cap? or is that unreliable?

thanks!

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: HarryL]
    #15122379 - 09/23/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I call them liberty caps. A little bit weird to find so many without visible nipples, but it's just genetics, everyone is from the same "mother mushroom" with this feature. I had a patch where all caps looked like gandalf hats. Probably this is the same kind of phenomenon.

If its not liberty caps, my guess is Psilocybe strictipes.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: innerview]
    #15122389 - 09/23/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

no, spores on the cap are reliable, from a neighboring cap...it's just the one in the photo is not clear enough

you can still tell it's dark, so either liberty or pans

the upside down one in that photo is definitely a liberty tho

and BTW, strictipes does occur in UK, and it could be some of those..they are fairly close and related to libertys

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Do spore prints... Can sort out what is and isn't a liberty cap



I have 6 of them printing now.
but what do you make of the spores on the cap? or is that unreliable?

thanks!



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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: knarkkorven]
    #15122485 - 09/23/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I call them liberty caps. A little bit weird to find so many without visible nipples, but it's just genetics, everyone is from the same "mother mushroom" with this feature. I had a patch where all caps looked like gandalf hats. Probably this is the same kind of phenomenon.

If its not liberty caps, my guess is Psilocybe strictipes.



Hej knarkkorven!  there he is.  thanks for your input.  Man, this was the first day that I found a lot of more mature libs, in SHORT grass (first also) and  so many in one area. I collected well over 100 in about half hour or so.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: innerview]
    #15122595 - 09/23/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

They are probably all liberty caps, but without microscopy no one will ever know.

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: auweia]
    #15122711 - 09/23/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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2nd to the last pic...and 2nd pic is almost all libertys

they're just dried out...It can get a little tricky sometimes when they get dried out cause pans can look like thatb too a bit when they dry out..But those look like liberty caps to me

the other photos a bit harder to tell tho, but if you see they're all the same species, it's probably libertys


you get more of a white stem on libertys when they dry out too, especially with a flash camera. Pan stems usually stay more brown even when drier

most of the ones in the first pic too (second set)///they're just drying out and a few oddball rounded shapes is not unusual for liberty

just watch out for any cinnamon or brown colored gills and spores. those might be harmful

even if some are pans with black spores, they won't do much




Thank you, auweia!

Is the photo for strictipes on wikipedia accurate?  If so, I think that is what I have been collecting for the past week or so and thinking they were semilanceata.

This is not from today. but here is a pic from a few days ago in an adjacent field.


  here's the wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Psilocybe.strictipes.uare.jpg

I don't know  :shrug:  I thought i was finding very small and young libs...

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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15122723 - 09/23/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

kinda look like psilocybe fimetaria are there horses in that field?


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Re: What is this next to the Liberty Caps? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #15122734 - 09/23/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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kinda look like psilocybe fimetaria are there horses in that field?



Hi MaynardJ!  No horses... just cattle (bulls).

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