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Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology
#15119037 - 09/22/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Optimus maybe in the future will work good but right now it doesn't work very well at all. Skip on optimus..
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#15119049 - 09/22/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having some issues? Elaborate.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: DieCommie]
#15119062 - 09/22/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Having some issues? Elaborate.
It won't switch from the Intel graphics to Nvidia GPU when needed. When I go to Nvidia Control Panel and try to make it use the Nvidia card exclusively it just crashes. I heard I can change it to only the use the Nvidia card on a modded BIOS but I don't know how to do that. Do you know how to do that on a modded BIOS?
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#15119155 - 09/22/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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why would the bios have to be modded? does the computer block you from accessing them normally? are all the nvidia drivers up to date?
nvidia.com
go to drivers, update drivers for your model of laptop, desktop pc, graphics card etc.. wait, you were helping me with the web design question. ok, I'm guessing you know a lot about pc's. then I'm confused, why would you have to mod the bios, and not just access it normally?
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15119342 - 09/22/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: why would the bios have to be modded? does the computer block you from accessing them normally? are all the nvidia drivers up to date?
nvidia.com
go to drivers, update drivers for your model of laptop, desktop pc, graphics card etc.. wait, you were helping me with the web design question. ok, I'm guessing you know a lot about pc's. then I'm confused, why would you have to mod the bios, and not just access it normally?
Nah man I'm not good with pc's I just knew of a good tutorial website lol. In the BIOS I don't really know how to make it so that my computer only uses the Nvidia GPU and not the integrated Intel graphics. Do you know how optimus works in the BIOS by any chance? The latest Nvidia driver crashes my computer upon opening so I rolled back to the previous driver.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#15119926 - 09/22/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh you rolled back? that is crazy. ok try this, look up nvidia support online. there should be a phone number, tell them you driver crashes your computer when you try and boot with the nvidia card.
did you go into the bios and disable the graphics card to use onboard? your computer should automatically detect your graphics card if one is installed in a pci slot. try this, restart the computer, then hold f2 or possibly delete, whichever key works. it will get you into the bios, look for what you see as video. there should be a set of settings and one should say use onboard on or off. don't mess with it. just take a note of it.
if you rolled back the driver and your graphics card installed in pci works, I'd use that. only if you can't roll back the driver would I enable onboard. in this case you'd have to move the agp connector in the back from being connected to the graphics card next to pci to the higher up agp slot connected to the onboard chip set.
write down what your graphics card is set to in your bios. also go to device manager and write down what driver is there
start>right click my computer> properties > navigate to hardware > then to device manager > then look for the video driver
now call nvidia support and explain it exactly. tell them you rolled back the driver, tell them you looked in the bios and saw which video you are using, pci add in or onboard. it will probably be set to automatic. and explain you want the updated driver, but don't want your system to crash. you can also try doing a manual windows update.
also try this, download c cleaner and run it every day. it will clean up unused registry errors. now if you do all and nvidia hasn't answered your question, report back in this thread.
from here the results will be a little more hardcore. I'm not sure at this point if that doesn't work what we'll do, but try it out. if anything, you can always remove the graphics card, re seat it into the same pci slot or a different one, then try and reinstall the driver. but that probably won't help much.
also google your problem. you'll probably see this thread come up first one google, but if you don't, there might be some good answers.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15119960 - 09/22/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: oh you rolled back? that is crazy. ok try this, look up nvidia support online. there should be a phone number, tell them you driver crashes your computer when you try and boot with the nvidia card.
did you go into the bios and disable the graphics card to use onboard? your computer should automatically detect your graphics card if one is installed in a pci slot. try this, restart the computer, then hold f2 or possibly delete, whichever key works. it will get you into the bios, look for what you see as video. there should be a set of settings and one should say use onboard on or off. don't mess with it. just take a note of it.
if you rolled back the driver and your graphics card installed in pci works, I'd use that. only if you can't roll back the driver would I enable onboard. in this case you'd have to move the agp connector in the back from being connected to the graphics card next to pci to the higher up agp slot connected to the onboard chip set.
write down what your graphics card is set to in your bios. also go to device manager and write down what driver is there
start>right click my computer> properties > navigate to hardware > then to device manager > then look for the video driver
now call nvidia support and explain it exactly. tell them you rolled back the driver, tell them you looked in the bios and saw which video you are using, pci add in or onboard. it will probably be set to automatic. and explain you want the updated driver, but don't want your system to crash. you can also try doing a manual windows update.
also try this, download c cleaner and run it every day. it will clean up unused registry errors. now if you do all and nvidia hasn't answered your question, report back in this thread.
from here the results will be a little more hardcore. I'm not sure at this point if that doesn't work what we'll do, but try it out. if anything, you can always remove the graphics card, re seat it into the same pci slot or a different one, then try and reinstall the driver. but that probably won't help much.
also google your problem. you'll probably see this thread come up first one google, but if you don't, there might be some good answers.
Ok thanks for the help man. I'll report back tomorrow with my findings.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15119986 - 09/22/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: you aren't the only one that has this problem:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=185630
I made a thread in those forums a few hours ago hehe. Waiting to see the responses.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15121380 - 09/23/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: why would the bios have to be modded?
Because companies assembling computers for sale typically disable all sorts of bullshit if they think it can save them any time or money whatsoever in support. They get the OEM or the bios producer to alter the products yet they still use the same trademarks in their advertising. Then when the end user runs up against these undocumented and deceptive limitations they go through all sorts of problems before finding out their laptop manufacturer screwed them.
Often times they give you a crippled bios, and good luck trying to figure this out ahead of time through the company- they generally just disable all sorts of features they don't want you to have and make no mention of it. This is a problem when documented features of a technology they claim the product to have is blocked/restricted by the BIOS or firmware of various parts.Its a special kind of fun to spend all sorts of time figuring out what is wrong with your computer only to finally realize some undocumented restriction implemented by the manufacturer removes certain features from the technology your computer was supposed to support.
I don't know if this is the issue the OP is having but its certainly possible. For companies that spend so much money on support, they often have really piss poor documentation of their products, and the telephone support is generally only helpful for learning how to clear your cache, cookies, and restart your computer.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: johnm214]
#15122170 - 09/23/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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sounds painful. ouch
well, one thing is for sure, the op is going to have to get the driver issue fixed before he can play minecraft or fallout 3, he needs full gpu processing to process hundreds of millions of textels a second. I don't know much about what his onboard intel gpu can process. how did that go op? did nvidia support help you out at all?
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15123078 - 09/23/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: sounds painful. ouch
well, one thing is for sure, the op is going to have to get the driver issue fixed before he can play minecraft or fallout 3, he needs full gpu processing to process hundreds of millions of textels a second. I don't know much about what his onboard intel gpu can process. how did that go op? did nvidia support help you out at all?
I called them and they just said it was my Nvidia GeForce 310M not being powerful enough. Also I managed to run minecraft on the Nvidia card I think but it still was laggy. I forgot to ask them about the driver issue though. Do you think if I get the new driver working it could run minecraft and other games better? Damn I suck at talking on the phone with people with accents.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#15126108 - 09/24/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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wtf of course if you get a new driver it could be running games. what idiot did you get on the phone? you don't think your nvidia geforce 310m is not powerful enough to run certain games?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-310M.22439.0.html
I have a radeon hd 4670. it's a little bit less powerful then your gpu, and on windows xp with direct x 9 I was playing so many games like call of duty 4, metro 2033, crysis, not at max settings. now that I have ubuntu it can't play most of those games because they aren't marked as executable, and wine won't run them. in my virtual machine with guest I can only assign maximum 128 mb memory, and plus the games run fucked up because the mouse is captured really buggy for applications, and I don't know how to debug the virtualbox
anyway the point is they are trying to tell you your gpu can't run mine craft? I would fucking get back on the phone and demand to speak with a manager who can fix your driver issue. whoever told you your gpu can't handle mine craft is a fucking idiot.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15127517 - 09/24/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: wtf of course if you get a new driver it could be running games. what idiot did you get on the phone? you don't think your nvidia geforce 310m is not powerful enough to run certain games?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-310M.22439.0.html
I have a radeon hd 4670. it's a little bit less powerful then your gpu, and on windows xp with direct x 9 I was playing so many games like call of duty 4, metro 2033, crysis, not at max settings. now that I have ubuntu it can't play most of those games because they aren't marked as executable, and wine won't run them. in my virtual machine with guest I can only assign maximum 128 mb memory, and plus the games run fucked up because the mouse is captured really buggy for applications, and I don't know how to debug the virtualbox
anyway the point is they are trying to tell you your gpu can't run mine craft? I would fucking get back on the phone and demand to speak with a manager who can fix your driver issue. whoever told you your gpu can't handle mine craft is a fucking idiot.
Aight I'll call 'em back on monday. They're closed on the weekends.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#15128537 - 09/24/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Having some issues? Elaborate.
It won't switch from the Intel graphics to Nvidia GPU when needed. When I go to Nvidia Control Panel and try to make it use the Nvidia card exclusively it just crashes. I heard I can change it to only the use the Nvidia card on a modded BIOS but I don't know how to do that. Do you know how to do that on a modded BIOS?
From my understanding of Optimus technology, you do not need to manually switch your GPU, its done automatically by the program. How can you tell when it switches?
Check your graphic settings in your BIOS to see what it is set to, it should be set to auto.
I'd recommend updating all your Intel drivers, Nvidia driver and Nvidia Software, seeing as how thats the first thing phone support is going to have you do
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: magicbastard]
#15131236 - 09/25/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your BIOS version is very old if you have the 210 version, which may have been on it at release. The ASUS drivers for the 310m are outdated, so if you're using new drivers from nVidia or something it may be a BIOS issue.
Install the most recent BIOS, and be sure you read up on how to properly flash your laptop.
http://usa.asus.com/Notebooks/Superior_Mobility/UL80Jt/#download
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15132972 - 09/25/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd make sure he can first. Again, if he has some shitty prefab computer they often want you to get your bios/firmware/drivers through the company, and undocumented problems can pop up if you don't. Despite the computer company (i.e. Dell or soemthing) claiming to have sold you a particular part, if you install the driver or firmware for that part, it will sometimes be rejected or rendered unusuable due to Dell screwing with you.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: johnm214]
#15136532 - 09/26/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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He has an ASUS and gave me the info off his POST screen. BIOS updates are imperative with these early Optimus laptops because so much shit fucked up with them. Hell, it isn't even that old and it looks like ASUS said fuck it to updating video drivers.
Update the laptops BIOS, uninstall all current video card drivers, reboot into safe mode, use Driver Sweeper, and then reboot/reinstall video drivers. If it were my laptop that's what I would do given what I know.
NOTE!: Since you are having BSOD's I would NOT flash the BIOS from Windows. Make a bootable DOS USB or something, because ASUS normally goes with AMI for the BIOS. There are guides on how to make these if you search google, or better yet the Asus forums/laptop manual.
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15136960 - 09/26/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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so nvidia support won't help him at all huh? I thought the problem in the first place was that he couldn't update the laptops bios? nvidia for sure won't give him an updated driver?
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=notebook+Asus+N61Jv+bios+update&pbx=1&oq=notebook+Asus+N61Jv+bios+update&aq=f&aqi=q-w1&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=13044l15187l1l15309l12l10l0l0l0l0l281l2134l0.3.6l9l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=d46f8b1a4aa9fa92&biw=1600&bih=812
I couldn't find that bios update
he could always call nvidia support while in safe mode and see if the driver updates any better. but it sounds like nvidia took a dump on him sorry try the driver sweeper in safe mode. then do windows update, or just go to the nvidia.com web site and update the driver. sadly if they can't help you find the driver on the phone, which one will you update? I believe you have the
nvidia geforce gt325m
go to nvidia.com. look at drivers section, and your driver should be for that version of gpu. in the meantime take 5htp synaptrips advice. go into safe mode and do whatever you can to clean that thing up a bit. try a bios update if you can find one. roll back a few drivers. uninstall a few drivers. do whatever you can to your lap top if it can trouble shoot the problem of not being to update the driver. you did say nvidia told you that right? that you can't update the driver?
they sound like a bunch of idiots to me though. did you try that manually? sorry if you did already I wasn't sure. I wish there was a way you could get rid of that bios lock without modding the bios. I don't know maybe there is I was unclear on that, is it possible? is that note book like most note books where you can't remove the gpu add in because it's a second chip soldered to the board? if it was the problem, you could remove the chip, uninstall the driver. re add the chip, then re install the driver. most lap tops I've seen however you can't remove anything but the hard drive and the ram.
and most note books I've seen won't allow you to open the case without breaking it open. nvidia is stupid. I'd try booting into safe mode, then calling nvidia and speaking to a manager. tell them you are in safe mode because some stupid technician told you that you couldn't update the driver booted normally. see if that gets their attention. good luck, please post the fix if you get it. hope your drivers can be updated
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Re: Don't get a notebook/desktop with Nvidia's Optimus technology [Re: imachavel]
#15139462 - 09/26/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Using the nVidia drivers that are current(from nvidia.com) was what caused his crashes after logging into Windows. I'm pretty sure it's the BIOS. You could explain the problem in detail on the ASUS forums and ask for a template for your .bat file for flashing. When you set it all up correctly you just put in a CD/DVD and it's self-explanatory from there.
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