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Psilocybin strength in grow cycle
    #14494638 - 05/22/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I searched and this thread didn't answer my questions.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6867909#6867909

Example: One person eats 2 grams of shrooms that were picked after a few days, another eats 2 grams that were picked before vales were torn, and a third eats 2 grams that were picked long after spores fell.

Who would have the most of the psilocybin?

Are the pins concentrated and therefore stronger?

Does the psilocybin get produced in the same amount per square mm as it grows, or does the pin start with a set amount, and that amount become reduced as it grows?

Sorry if it was asked....I swear I searched for the answer. Please don't flame me.


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14495185 - 05/22/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As much as i have read, i am still relatively confused on this topic, and most of the pros are tired of answering it already lol

I wish i had something to add, but i don't. All i know is, if it is as it has been presented, it seems that i should be picking my mushrooms at about an inch long, so i get just as high and not have to eat as much :scaryshroom:

-im obviously not going to though, part of doing this is the fun of watching them grow =D)

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14495269 - 05/22/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Million dollar question.

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: BaldBull]
    #14495341 - 05/22/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

For arguments sake you have a mushroom that pins and has a gram of Psilocybin in it,as the fruit matures that gram is spread over more mass.the pick when the veil breaks is just a happy medium of potency/weight


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14495436 - 05/22/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sublimehypocrisy said:
Example: One person eats 2 grams of shrooms that were picked after a few days, another eats 2 grams that were picked before vales were torn, and a third eats 2 grams that were picked long after spores fell.

Who would have the most of the psilocybin?

Are the pins concentrated and therefore stronger?

Does the psilocybin get produced in the same amount per square mm as it grows, or does the pin start with a set amount, and that amount become reduced as it grows?




Whatever opinions may be presented here, the vast majority are based on personal experience, or discussing experiences with other users, and experience is mostly subjective. Furthermore, phenological variations from one consumer to the next will respond with greater or lesser intensity depending on their personal chemistry. You would need to use gas chromatography to look at the chemical content and most of us simply don't have access to this tool.

Lastly, from pg 39 PMotW:
"Readers should note that, within any one species, there can be a tenfold or more range in psilocybin and psilocin production from one collection to the next!"

If you want potency, use agar to clone for it, eat more mushrooms, or add lemon juice. :sun:

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: Primal Call]
    #14496717 - 05/22/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good information. I know that there are many more factors to consider, but in the end I think the only way to give everyone an equal experience is to grind a large amount into a powder, so the amount is uniform.

I was just hoping someone....maybe Roger Rabbit....=P...could chime in and inform us all of how the production is measured. If we can get an answer, I think it'd be worth making sticky. It seems like a common question.


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    #14497419 - 05/23/11 02:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: t23]
    #14497507 - 05/23/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I acually found a thread were RR states psilocybin is produced When the mushroom grows, further more, there is little to know psilocybin in the myc. i believe the questioning thread where i read this was called "can you trip off mycelium" or sumwhere along the lines of that. idk, was just surfin the shroomery.

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: Spector]
    #14507342 - 05/24/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. That's what I needed to know. If I have a single strain isolate grow, I know the potency will be even, regardless of size. In RR we trust.

And I've read all those posts about mycelium many times also. =P


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14507422 - 05/24/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was actually discussing this with a friend today. Do bigger mushrooms really spread out the same amount of psilocybin it had when it first pins, or does the mushroom, as it grows, create more psilocybin?

Edited by Jonow (05/24/11 11:01 PM)

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14507466 - 05/24/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Example: One person eats 2 grams of shrooms that were picked after a few days, another eats 2 grams that were picked before vales were torn, and a third eats 2 grams that were picked long after spores fell.

Who would have the most of the psilocybin?

Are the pins concentrated and therefore stronger?

Does the psilocybin get produced in the same amount per square mm as it grows, or does the pin start with a set amount, and that amount become reduced as it grows?





1. The first two would have the same, and the person that waited for them to fully mature would have less.

2. They are not concentrated. They gain more psilocybin as they get larger, but after the vales break, they stop producing it, and keep growing.

3. As stated, it gains more as it grows; however, two mushrooms of the same species, from different spores, will have different potency. This is why so many people have different trips, excluding other factors such as personal mental strength, and all other factors other than the drug.

If you want everyone involved to have a similar experience, get a single strain isolated, or grind up a bunch and share the powder.

....I hope RR chimes and and confirms or denies for us. =P


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: Jonow]
    #14507484 - 05/24/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I doubt that bigger mushrooms means less potency per weight. It produces more psilocybin the further into the growth it goes. I would think only when the mushrooms bruise they lose potency (not significantly) according to Stamets but that is a very good question.

I too wondered this because I heard caps have more psilocybin/psilocin and the bigger they are the more potent. This reflected in my experiences but like Ryath said, everyone's chemistry differs.

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14507639 - 05/24/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You've got some good points in there, but frankly, a lot of the content seems questionable...

all other points aside, when one is eating fresh and one is eating 2 day old mushies, to say that the persons receive the same chemical amount is nearly impossible unless you somehow know the strategy of preventing oxygen from coming into contact with something for 2 days...

on point 2, I don't know the truth or falsity of that point, but how do you know the chems continue to be produced as the mushroom grows, but that they stop being produced after the veil breaks? Is it when it starts to get holes in it, when it's only half torn, or when there is an annulus present? How can you know any of this?

:lol: I've only been around this site for 8 (1/2 that in the cult forum) months or so, and I swear I've see more controlling/influencing potency posts than anything else, other than pin porn and drying debates, and they all do little to answer any questions or bring new knowledge to the topic. oh well... it's still fun to throw ideas around.

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: Jonow]
    #14507748 - 05/24/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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I was actually discussing this with a friend today. Do bigger mushrooms really spread out the same amount of psilocybin it had when it first pins, or does the mushroom, as it grows, create more psilocybin?





i thought this was the understanding

maybe much has changed, but im not searching

thru text, and testing, ive found closed veil mushrooms being more potent, than cubensis post sporulation

its obvious if you have 3grams of aborts, youre going for a ride, while 3grams of ok MS fully mature mushrooms, might sometimes not take you anywhere. it could be the difference btwn 50 mushrooms, or maybe just one

keep in mind in MS, the potency will fluctuate greatly btwn each mushroom even. so 3 mushrooms weighing 3gm dry...one might be lacking in potency, so 1/3 of your dose is already just tissue. etc etc.

the "happy medium", i think someone said earlier

the difference in dried weight tho, is exponential

a tub harvested at full maturity could way twice as much dry as a tub harvested of closed capped mushrooms.

if youre going solely for potency, id say harvest everything closed capped,

and get a dependable isolate or clone culture, then you know your potency will be great up to and thru maturity, so you can go weight and potency :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: just me]
    #14507838 - 05/25/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

just me said:
Quote:

Jonow said:
I was actually discussing this with a friend today. Do bigger mushrooms really spread out the same amount of psilocybin it had when it first pins, or does the mushroom, as it grows, create more psilocybin?





i thought this was the understanding





This was the idea, that after some point fruit growth is
really just the pumping in of more water.

Now, I think that more chemicals are probably produced
in smaller amounts, but if the question is the potency
as a function of weight, then just at or before the veil
breaks is the peak.  This is the consensus...I cannot
assay psilocybin.

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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: Javadog]
    #14507896 - 05/25/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

word :yesnod:


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: just me]
    #14508899 - 05/25/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The idea that water continues to be pumped in and the chemical creation either stops or slows to a near halt is what I've heard, also. Again, it's be swell if RR said something. =P


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: sublimehypocrisy]
    #14508909 - 05/25/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Again, it's be swell if RR said something. =P




I've answered this exact question so many times I can't bear to type the whole thing over and over again any longer.  Use the search terms in this thread to find the answer.
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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14509122 - 05/25/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:

youre my idol RR

im not even kidding

i try to tell the kids use the search engine, and then i try to search. and i cant find a shadow with a flashlight

so many times ive seen you answer this question :lol:


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Re: Psilocybin strength in grow cycle [Re: just me]
    #14509605 - 05/25/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's just that as the colonization period goes on, there is more and more psilocybin being produced. It causes the whole cake to be potent. I was really just assuming but it would make sense that this would continue until the veil starts to tear which is the sign for it to reproduce (in which case I don't see why it would produce anything other than drop spores which is it's new instinctive action).

Just assumptions really, hoping someone with the answer swipes this thread away.

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