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Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement)
    #14125421 - 03/15/11 03:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Remember when mainstream media covered greece as it was being "bailed out" and the people were being left in the dust, well contrary to major news networks it's still happening and the people are kicking ass.



I won't pay' movement spreads across Greece
In light of austerity measures, citizens ignore tolls, transit ticket costs, even bills for healthcare


By ELENA BECATOROS

updated 2/22/2011 5:58:25 PM ET

ATHENS, Greece — They blockade highway toll booths to give drivers free passage. They cover subway ticket machines with plastic bags so commuters can't pay. Even doctors are joining in, preventing patients from paying fees at state hospitals.
Some call it civil disobedience. Others a freeloading spirit. Either way, Greece's "I Won't Pay" movement has sparked heated debate in a nation reeling from a debt crisis that's forced the government to take drastic austerity measures — including higher taxes, wage and pension cuts, and price spikes in public services.
What started as a small pressure group of residents outside Athens angered by higher highway tolls has grown into a movement affecting ever more sectors of society — one that many say is being hijacked by left-wing parties keen to ride popular discontent.
A rash of political scandals in recent years, including a dubious land swap deal with a rich monastery and alleged bribes in state contracts — has fueled the rebellious mood.
At dawn last Friday, about 100 bleary-eyed activists from a Communist Party-backed labor union covered ticket machines with plastic bags at Athens metro stations, preventing passengers from paying their fares, to protest public transport ticket price hikes.
Other activists have taped up ticket machines on buses and trams. And thousands of people simply don't bother validating their public transport tickets when they take the subway or the bus.
"The people have paid already through their taxes, so they should be able to travel for free," said Konstantinos Thimianos, 36, an activist standing at the metro picket line in central Syntagma Square.
In one of their frequent occupations of the toll booths on the northern outskirts of Athens recently, protesters wore brightly colored vests with "total disobedience" emblazoned across their backs, and chanted: "We won't pay for their crisis!"
The tactic has cropped up in the health sector, with some state hospital doctors staging a blockade in front of pay counters to prevent patients from paying their €5 flat fee for consultations.
Critics deride the protests as yet another example of a freeloading mentality that helped lead the country into its financial mess.


"The course from initial lawlessness to final wanton irresponsibility is like a spreading cancer," Dionysis Gousetis said in a recent column in the respected daily broadsheet Kathimerini.
"Now, with the crisis as an alibi ... the freeloaders don't hide. They appear publicly and proudly and act like heroes of civil disobedience. Something like Rosa Parks or Mahatma Gandhi," Gousetis wrote. "They're not satisfied with not paying themselves. They are forcing others to follow them."
Many accuse left-wing parties and labor unions of usurping a grassroots movement with legitimate grievances for their own political ends.
"You think that lawlessness is something revolutionary, which helps the Greek people," Prime Minister George Papandreou said recently, lashing out in Parliament at Coalition of the Left party head Alexis Tsipras. "It is the lawlessness which we have in our country that the Greek people are paying for today."
But there is something about the "I Won't Pay" movement that speaks to something deeper within Greek society: a propensity to bend the rules, to rebel against authority, particularly that of the state.
It is so ingrained that many Greeks barely notice the myriad small, daily transgressions — the motorcycle driving on the sidewalk, the car running the red light, the blatant disregard of yet another government attempt to ban smoking in restaurants and bars.
Less innocuous is persistent and widespread tax avoidance despite increasingly desperate government measures.
"There is a general culture of lawlessness, starting from the most basic thing, tax evasion or tax avoidance, which is something that Greeks have been exercising since their state was created," said social commentator Nikos Dimou.
But many see the "I Won't Pay" movement as something much simpler: the people's refusal to pay for the mistakes of a series of governments accused of squandering the nation's future through corruption and cronyism.
"I don't think it's part of the Greek character. Greeks, when they see that the law is being applied in general, they will implement it too," said Nikos Louvros, the 55-year-old chain-smoking owner of an Athens bar that openly flouts the smoking ban.
"But when it isn't being applied to some, such as when there are ministers who have been stealing, ... Well, if the laws aren't implemented at the top, others won't implement them."


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14125547 - 03/15/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

go greece lightning!


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Olympus Mons] * 3
    #14125627 - 03/15/11 03:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

riots are an annual event in greece, this is nothing special

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14125633 - 03/15/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for sharing and missing the point.


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: danlennon3] * 1
    #14125635 - 03/15/11 03:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

My name is Nick and I support this message.

<3

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14125642 - 03/15/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Also. The shroomery has become amazing again now that pris is on nigg :thumbup:

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14125651 - 03/15/11 03:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
riots are an annual event in greece, this is nothing special



:haha:


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14126677 - 03/15/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:leonblack:


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14126729 - 03/15/11 07:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"The course from initial lawlessness to final wanton irresponsibility is like a spreading cancer," Dionysis Gousetis said in a recent column in the respected daily broadsheet Kathimerini.
"Now, with the crisis as an alibi ... the freeloaders don't hide. They appear publicly and proudly and act like heroes of civil disobedience. Something like Rosa Parks or Mahatma Gandhi," Gousetis wrote. "They're not satisfied with not paying themselves. They are forcing others to follow them."
Many accuse left-wing parties and labor unions of usurping a grassroots movement with legitimate grievances for their own political ends.
"You think that lawlessness is something revolutionary, which helps the Greek people," Prime Minister George Papandreou said recently, lashing out in Parliament at Coalition of the Left party head Alexis Tsipras. "It is the lawlessness which we have in our country that the Greek people are paying for today."


:whatever:

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14126811 - 03/15/11 07:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Freeloaders." :rofl:

Try telling that to the bankers.


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14127083 - 03/15/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
"Freeloaders." :rofl:

Try telling that to the bankers.



Quote:

Tchan909 said:
"Freeloaders." :rofl:

Try telling that to the bankers.




This thread just goes to show you that people dont give a shit unless
Anderson Cooper is reporting on it....


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14127113 - 03/15/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't live in Greece and I don't have friends or relatives in Greece so you can't guilt me for not being up with what's going on in Greece.

Though it is certainly interesting to hear about, be it from Anderson Cooper, Olympus Mons, or Elena Becatoros.


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14127122 - 03/15/11 08:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
I don't live in Greece and I don't have friends or relatives in Greece so you can't guilt me for not being up with what's going on in Greece.

Though it is certainly interesting to hear about, be it from Anderson Cooper, Olympus Mons, or Elena Becatoros.




You could say the same for some state like Maine or any other to which you said
above applies to. Canada or Mexico even.

But whatever to each his own.

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14127140 - 03/15/11 08:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Try as I might (and I honestly do), I can't keep up with what's going on in the entire friggin' world, and a country on the other side of it with which I have no personal connection is not a high priority. :facepalm:


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14127148 - 03/15/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

To each his own sir :snub:





















































I aint mad attcha

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14127153 - 03/15/11 08:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Life is too short to care about lazy, violent youths in Greece.

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14127159 - 03/15/11 08:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You'll have to pardon me, I've actually been studying really hard for my political science class lately and being spoken to as though I don't care about world affairs really rubs a sore spot for me right now :lol:


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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14127163 - 03/15/11 08:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Life is too short to care about lazy, violent youths in Greece.




mehh

Agree to disagree

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14127204 - 03/15/11 08:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

can you link the article?

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Re: Remember Greece(The I won't Pay Movement) [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127840 - 03/15/11 10:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Life is too short to care about lazy, violent youths in Greece.



life is too short to care about you.


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