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 bateyes88
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 Albino AA+ NOW WITH PICS  2
#14121526 - 03/14/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So my AA+ cakes and trays are in the FC, and starting to pin. The one that is furthest along has both albino and pigmented fruits. If I am looking to catalog and trade AA+ prints, should I only print the white ones? Or will either (where it is MS, afterall) the albino or pigmented prints have the same chance of producing albinos in future grows?
Is there a difference? Should I label the resulting prints "AA+ from albino", or "AA+ from pigmented" or does it matter?
Edited by bateyes88 (03/17/11 02:29 PM)
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 Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121576 - 03/14/11 08:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Advice -
Send em over here so I can print them 
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bateyes88
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: esquaredx]
#14121583 - 03/14/11 08:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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PM your addy and Ill send ya a print. You want a print from a white one or brown one?
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121631 - 03/14/11 08:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very interested in hearing a TC's opinion on the matter.
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bateyes88
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Whats yours?
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121655 - 03/14/11 08:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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clone em instead of printing 
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121666 - 03/14/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would think that they still could produce albino fruits. 
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bateyes88
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: esquaredx]
#14121690 - 03/14/11 08:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to keep prints for storage, and trading.
My guess is that the brown ones will produce more spores, and be easier to print- and still have equal chance of producing albino offspring.
I have NO IDEA if thats right or not. Call it a semi-educated guess.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121700 - 03/14/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
bateyes88 said:
Whats yours?
I do not know much about albino cubes, my opinion would only be a
guess. Logic says that if you print an albino fruit , the offspring
will have a higher percentage of albino fruits then if you printed a
regular specimen. This makes sense in my mind but may not be how it
actually works.
This is speculation, I could be WAY wrong.
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bateyes88
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121708 - 03/14/11 08:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm gonna print em both anyway cause Im dying to study some white spores.
I'm just wondering if there will be differences if I cultivated them both. (Aside from regular MSS differences)
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121731 - 03/14/11 08:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I totally agree with that logic, evil. But doesn't the fact that its a Multi-spore throw logic out the window? From what Ive learned from other threads, you cant really "print" for traits. You need to clone/isolate. So THAT logic would imply that either print would have equal chance.
But I really have no clue. Any TC's reading tonight???
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121762 - 03/14/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can domesticate cubes by only printing fruits that have your desired
characteristics over many many generations as far as I know.
By this logic you could breed out the albino in a variety of cubes
if over 10 generations you only printed regular fruits.
This is all speculation from what I have read.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121776 - 03/14/11 08:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by mattman (01/07/12 03:05 AM)
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bateyes88
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Kinda like making an "isolate" the "long way". That makes sense, too.
There is so much conflicting info on here, I get really confused when trying to figure out various topics.(i.e. isolate vs. multi-spore, or today, for example, laminar flow hood vs. HEPA air purifiers)I thought reading books would help. HA! Books are just as conflicting!
I guess first-hand knowledge and that of trusted friends, TCs, ect is the way to go.
I'm surprised you dont have a tag, evil. Your teks and advice are always sound. And, yer a heck of a good guy to boot.
I wish they would up-date The Mushroom Cultivator. Great resource, but could use an updating.(A guy on eBay is selling BRF Jars made to Stamets recipe in T.M.C.! Must have lost a chapter in my copy!)
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121881 - 03/14/11 09:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the kind words, although there are plenty of cultivators
out there more trusted then I;-).
Do you have a copy of either Mycelium Running or Growing Gourmet and
Medicinal Mushrooms both by Paul?
They have a lot more up to date information, and while the above
books do not focus on psilocybes, the techniques and information can
be adapted and used for many different active mushrooms.
P.S
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow_cabinet
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You are trusted for good reasons EM.
I think that BEs concerns are valid, given how rabid some growers
seem to be about albinos. Give them an "AA+" print that does not make
albino fruits, and they may cry foul.
Wouldn't the idea that one cannot trust the offspring of an albino fruit
to be albino kinda break all of our assumptions about genetics?
...you see, I am lost too. ;0)
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bateyes88
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I dont have either one- both on my to-get list. Have you ever seen "Whats in a Mushroom" by Richard Norland? He only wrote part 3. Guess he took money for parts 1+2, but never released em.
Why I ask is he names like 30-40 diff Psilocybe strains, anhd 1 made me think of you. P. Quebecensis. Heard of it?
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bateyes88
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121957 - 03/14/11 09:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well now I feel better. At least Im not the only one!! lol
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14122010 - 03/14/11 09:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have never heard of that book, but I will keep an eye out. I think
I saw an entry of Ps. quebecensis in Paul's Psilocybin Mushrooms of
the World.
Iv got what I feel is a nice collection of mycology/counter culture
books going. I find reading and learning about mushrooms just about
as addicting as growing them!
P.S Thanks for adding to my collection! Both books you sent were a great
read. I had them devoured in the first week they got here lol.
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bateyes88
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You should grab it if you see it. If hes "reliable", which I think he is (he's one of the original Harvard crowd) then its a great resource. I have never heard of about 80% of the Psilocybe species he mentions. I imagine many have been re-named or re-grouped. IDK. Its a good read, and a good addition to a collection.
Back to the Albinos. Maybe I'll take, say, 5 prints of each and make MSS's, and log the results. If nothing else, it will make good conversation!
I wish RR would chime in his $.02.
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