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Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals?
    #13620030 - 12/12/10 04:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

1. School

A communication between animals certainly exists but I do not know if they are capable of formal(esque) teaching, either to one other member of the species or a group.

2. Hair cutting


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: WScott]
    #13620044 - 12/12/10 04:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Humans are the first animals to evolve on Earth that are capable of understanding evolution. We're a way for the Universe to understand itself.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: WScott]
    #13620046 - 12/12/10 04:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I would say that written language is the #1 difference.  Dolphins and primates have been known to create new strategies for hunting/foraging and teach them to others. I wouldn't call it formal education but it is close in my opinion.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13620060 - 12/12/10 04:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

humans=complicated
animals=simplistic


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620067 - 12/12/10 04:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know what whales are thinking about while they're swimming around?  They could be smarter than humans but they don't have any hands so they can't make buildings or tools or write things. There's really no way to know right now.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13620077 - 12/12/10 05:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you know what whales are thinking about while they're swimming around?  They could be smarter than humans but they don't have any hands so they can't make buildings or tools or write things. There's really no way to know right now.



Agreed, but they live simpler lives too :strokebeard2:


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620082 - 12/12/10 05:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I guess you're right.  Inside their heads they could be like all-knowing beings or something though.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620100 - 12/12/10 05:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you know what whales are thinking about while they're swimming around?  They could be smarter than humans but they don't have any hands so they can't make buildings or tools or write things. There's really no way to know right now.



Agreed, but they live simpler lives too :strokebeard2:




hmm..some animals live in complex colonies,communicate with chemicals that we can't translate,and have migration routes that people most likely would find a way to screw up and get lost if they had to endure the same task....clothing and technology don't necessarily make us all that complex IMO...but it is still all really from which angle you look at it from.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Boheim]
    #13620110 - 12/12/10 05:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When I say simple, I don't exactly mean stupid or whatever. Just that they don't over think the challenges that face them. They just adapt and overcome. Doesn't mean they are( or are not) sentient. Look at the variety of excuses & justifications people generally come up with. What did Bruce Lee say, there is no actor, just the action. I feel that animals general maintain this "attitude".


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620121 - 12/12/10 05:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ego...our biggest difference from animals.:shrug:


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: WScott]
    #13620124 - 12/12/10 05:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Chimps have been observed to season their food by dunking it in salty ocean water, and they've been observed "teaching" other chimps to do it too.

They've also been observed making tools by modifying natural objects and teaching the technology to others. They strip leaves off twigs in order to fashion a tool they stick in termite mounds to fish out the termites to eat. Until this discovery, it was thought that humans were unique in the world as the only species to make tools.

But hair cutting? I don't think they do that... yet. I remember reading an anthropologist's speculation that at their current rate of progress, they will have the beginnings of civilization in about 10,000 years.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Boheim]
    #13620127 - 12/12/10 05:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I can go with that. I sometimes wonder, is having a bigger brain a cause, or effect.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Diploid]
    #13620134 - 12/12/10 05:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I remember reading an anthropologist's speculation that at their current rate of progress, they will have the beginnings of civilization in about 10,000 years.




if we leave them a planet that isn't already in flames..


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620146 - 12/12/10 05:32 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Consider, too, that we may not be all that different from mycelium. Maybe our purpose is to transform this planet the same way mycelium does a substrate. It may not matter which terrestrial species achieve this.


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Boheim]
    #13620150 - 12/12/10 05:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ego...our biggest difference from animals.:shrug:






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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620152 - 12/12/10 05:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I mean look at technology. If you can step out of the human context, tech is almost like a fruit body of sorts. If any other species achieved dominance, would they ultimately do the same thing?


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: WScott]
    #13620173 - 12/12/10 05:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ego...our biggest difference from animals.:shrug:








Something tells me he would do a better job than the world leaders though.:bigblunt:


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #13620177 - 12/12/10 05:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I mean look at technology. If you can step out of the human context, tech is almost like a fruit body of sorts. If any other species achieved dominance, would they ultimately do the same thing?



i would think our world would be in better hands with a different dominant species personally.



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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: WScott]
    #13620264 - 12/12/10 06:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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1. School

A communication between animals certainly exists but I do not know if they are capable of formal(esque) teaching, either to one other member of the species or a group.

2. Hair cutting





Humans are animals. I guess you missed the "school" part. What good is going to school if that is all you have to show for it?


" What distinguishes the human animal from other animals is that man, in one form or another, guards his dead.  It is not consciousness of death but flight from death that distinguishes the human primate from other animals. Pyramids and skyscrapers-monuments more lasting than bronze-suggest how much of the worlds "economic" activity also is really a flight from death"  -Norman O.  Brown, Life Against Death


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Re: Something(s) that differentiates humans from animals? [Re: Diploid]
    #13620416 - 12/12/10 08:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Chimps have been observed to season their food by dunking it in salty ocean water, and they've been observed "teaching" other chimps to do it too.

They've also been observed making tools by modifying natural objects and teaching the technology to others. They strip leaves off twigs in order to fashion a tool they stick in termite mounds to fish out the termites to eat. Until this discovery, it was thought that humans were unique in the world as the only species to make tools.

But hair cutting? I don't think they do that... yet. I remember reading an anthropologist's speculation that at their current rate of progress, they will have the beginnings of civilization in about 10,000 years.




Apparently chimpanzees and elephants are known to "bury" their dead by moving leaves and branches over the corpses.  :eek:


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