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 lipa
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 Shiitake on straw  4
#13497853 - 11/17/10 11:44 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello everyone,
I have been busy testing out different alternative substrates for shiitake and am getting fairly good results. This is a grow using the Aloha 75 shiitake strain on straw.
Straw was pasteurized
Dumped into a mason bin and spawned
Packed into bags @ 3 lbs wet each on 10/13.. Each bag received 1/2 of a quart of spawn each. However half the spawn was rye grass seed and half was rye grain. Using half your spawn as rye grasss seed helps speed up the colonization time due to the increased inoculation points. Shiitake mycellium is fragile and it's very easy to separate the rye kernels after colonization.
Were colonized in 6 days on 10/19....Average temp was 72 degrees F
Here it is @ 3 days
Started to brown @ 12 days on 10/25 (I don't have a picture on that day but I did write the browning date on the first bag on the left of the picture...... wheew!)
Pic from 11/16.....Pins formed on 11/11 and bags were stripped on 11/13 (edited: i screwed up the dates for the pins)
Pic from today 11/17
Pics of a couple of others that pinned a couple of days later.
Some other grows while the shiitake were coming along. Didn't get a pic of the Trametes when it was mature cause Alan was here and I totally forgot. It was pretty cool. It was on rice hulls and oak sawdust. They change color when you grow them on certain substrates.
Edited by lipa (11/17/10 01:21 PM)
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 Mycelio
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: lipa]
#13498214 - 11/17/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Lipa,
wow, harvesting five weeks after inoculation is excellent. Your yield seems to lie in the range of 30 to 50%BE. I'm sure you will reach more with pasteurized straw and ca. 20% grain spawn. There is a german spawn producer, selling colonized 20kg shiitake blocks made of straw and grain spawn. People are getting 60%BE in the first flush.
I should continue my own experiments with shiitake on pasteurized substrates. Last time I got about 90%BE in the first flush, when I supplemented with alfalfa, coffee grounds and bran (9%, 9%, and 2%). But I don't know if this is comparable to pure straw, my main substrate was 40% straw and 40% conifer sawdust and I was using substrate spawn instead of grain.
Carsten
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: Mycelio]
#13499112 - 11/17/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beautiful fruits.
What are you doing to get them to brown so quick?
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: badman]
#13499186 - 11/17/10 04:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is very cool, and good quality fruits 
Would be very interested in total BE or yield from that set up.
One thing I notice is the bags are just sealed up tight, no gas exchange at all?
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: solarity]
#13499326 - 11/17/10 04:53 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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VERY IMPRESSIVE.. as soon as i get settled in my new place i will start growing some mushrooms again.. i can't wait to try this
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: SOUTHERN]
#13499749 - 11/17/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is awesome I had no idea you could fruit off straight straw.
You can bet I'll be trying this soon.
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I NEW U COULD. But i never have seen results. nice
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: lipa]
#13500694 - 11/17/10 09:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very nice! 
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: nexus1946]
#13500955 - 11/17/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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amazing. 
How did the yeild/workload of straw shiitakes compare to sawdust shiitakes?
I've got shiitake on grains right now...was going to spawn it to sawdust...
but after seeing this, I may just go with straw instead.
Edited by cloudwalker (11/17/10 10:12 PM)
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lipa
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: solarity] 1
#13501216 - 11/17/10 11:02 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
What are you doing to get them to brown so quick?
I pack the bags really really tight by pressing the substrate down as I stuff them. When the bags start to popcorn the plastic splits and a little more air is given to them. I think this is what help them brown a little faster. By no means were these bags fully browned when they started to fruit. They just pinned pretty well and I decided to go with it.
Quote:
One thing I notice is the bags are just sealed up tight, no gas exchange at all?
The bags have small perforations in them. We don't grow mushrooms anaerobically.
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lipa
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Quote:
How did the yeild/workload of straw shiitakes compare to sawdust shiitakes?
I've got shiitake on grains right now...was going to spawn it to sawdust...
Considering they are not supplemented the result is pretty good.
I am contemplating taking a mixture of sawdust and bran and making supplemental disks inside 250ml deli cups. These can be pre-colonized and placed into the center of the bags when I stuff them to increase the performance of the bags. Just an idea but it might work. These disks can be growing while the grain is colonizing and I can place e over 50 of them in the cooker in one run.
Lipa
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: lipa]
#13501311 - 11/17/10 11:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I spawned a quart of very nicely colonized Shitake on rye berries
to my first sawdust block 17 days ago, and it is pretty much fully colonized.
I will do the research Lipa, but if you want to comment on the
fruiting conditions you apply, I would appreciate your perspective.
I used sawdust from horse stall pellets, some wood chips
I boiled for a while and let cool, a bit of BRF and gypsum.
After three days:
After 17 days:
Wish me luck!
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: Javadog]
#13501421 - 11/17/10 11:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi,
Can u please tell us more like which straw(paddy or wheat)?? and method of pasteurization like hot water dip or steam or any other like dish washing liquid?
Great grow any need of cold shock??
Vishal.
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: vishal779]
#13501941 - 11/18/10 02:36 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really nice man. I thought about doing that my self. RR says that the s75 mutates with too much nutrition. I have two sawdust bags of the s75 right now that are half RR recipe and half straw as per his suggestion. I hope to see results similar to yours.
Can anyone say Shiitake straw log?
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: Base Icks]
#13502553 - 11/18/10 07:48 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for this thread. I will have to try this for sure.
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: pepper]
#13502831 - 11/18/10 09:18 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice work Lipa!
Are you using the tub method for an fc? or have you built another shade house?
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lipa
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These are fruiting in my cave like porch and one in a shotgun box. Both locations do pretty well as long as you mist very well.
Lipa
Edited by lipa (11/18/10 04:03 PM)
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: lipa]
#13503680 - 11/18/10 12:50 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where do can you get the aloha75 strain? I really want this living in Hawaii and all!
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: River77]
#13503783 - 11/18/10 01:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its from Aloha medicinals.
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Re: Shiitake on straw [Re: River77]
#13503849 - 11/18/10 01:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
River77 said:
Where do can you get the aloha75 strain? I really want this living in Hawaii and all!
Marketplace.  Everybody has one by now.
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