Home | Community | Message Board

Original Seeds Store
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck, Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags by Magic Bag

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Offlinebugabuga420
bUgAbUgaBOO


Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 488
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars
    #13055053 - 08/15/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/15/1776907/mexico-rethinks-drug-strategy.html



MEXICO CITY -- The drug war in Mexico is at a crossroads. As the death toll climbs above 28,000, President Felipe Calderon confronts growing pressure to try a different strategy - perhaps radically different - to quell the violence unleashed by major drug syndicates.

Even an elder from his own party, former President Vicente Fox, is taking potshots at Calderon, telling him that his policy is seriously off-track.

Many Mexicans don't know whether their country is winning or losing the war against drug traffickers, but they know they're fatigued by the brutality that's sweeping parts of their nation.

Calderon has urged his countrymen not to gauge the drug war by the relentless rise of the death toll. In early April, newspaper tallies put the toll at around 18,000, but legislators then leaked a higher official estimate: 22,700. Earlier this month, the nation's intelligence chief said that 28,000 people most likely had been killed since Calderon came to office in late 2006.

"The number of murders or the degree of violence isn't necessarily the best indicator of progress or retreat, or if the war ... is won or lost," the president told opposition party chiefs at a meeting called to pull the nation behind his counter-drug strategy. "It is a sign of the severity of the problem."

Calderon had called the party bosses - along with academics and civic leaders - into public sessions on how to improve security and get the upper hand against the drug gangs, several of which are engaged in bloody warfare over smuggling routes.

"What I ask, simply, is for clear ideas and precise proposals on how to improve this strategy," the president said at one session.

What Calderon, a bespectacled economist with a professorial manner, got instead was a barrage of criticism. The government should send soldiers back to their barracks, he was told, and do more to attack money-laundering and to protect judges. Several politicians, including Fox, suggested that Calderon consider legalizing narcotics.

The near-daily brainstorming sessions were interrupted when Calderon flew to Colombia to attend the swearing-in Aug. 8 of President Juan Manuel Santos, and that nation's success in battling cocaine cartels has served as a reference point for the discussions.

So have several disclosures and news events that underscore the levels of corruption that are corroding law enforcement efforts. Among them:

-Public Safety Secretary Genaro Garcia Luna said Aug. 6 that narcotics cartels paid around $100 million a month in bribes to municipal police officers across Mexico, ensuring that their activities went undisturbed.

-Some 250 federal police officers abducted a commander briefly earlier this month in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, accusing him of being in cahoots with traffickers and forcing the police to extort citizens.

Calderon is seeking support for wholesale police reform in Mexico, where some 33,000 officers belong to a federal police force and another 430,000 belong to disparate state or municipal forces. He's pointed to Colombia's unified national police as an example of how to make headway against organized crime.

Calderon wants to abolish the 1,200 or so municipal police departments and strengthen 32 state police forces under some level of federal command.

As it is now, he said, "there is no possibility of setting directives on strategy, logistics or even discipline on this enormous body of police at the municipal level."

Municipal police earn miserable salaries and are notoriously corrupt in much of Mexico, where they're subject to a choice by drug gangs - "plomo" or "plata" - either take a "lead" bullet or accept a payoff in "silver" to look the other way.

During Calderon's government, criminal gangs have killed 915 municipal police officers, 698 state police and 463 federal agents, the Public Safety Secretariat said.

"Probably the most corrupt institutions in Mexico are those municipal police forces," said Scott Stewart, the vice president for tactical intelligence at Stratfor, a company based in Austin, Texas, that provides global analysis.

"The police officers are kind of seen as some sort of third-class citizens," Stewart said. "Basically, the privileged ... like the fact that they can offer somebody 20 or 50 bucks to get out of a speeding ticket. It's very convenient to have that level of corruption."

After coming to office, Calderon turned to the military for help in fighting at least seven drug cartels that hold sway over vast areas of Mexico, rapidly deploying some 45,000 troops.

The deployment coincided with intensified fighting between rival groups, most notably the Gulf Cartel and its former armed wing, known as Los Zetas. The Sinaloa Cartel, perhaps the strongest drug syndicate to emerge since the heyday of Colombian cartels in the 1980s and early 1990s, is battling a weaker cartel based in the border city of Juarez across from El Paso, Texas.

As public discussions about counter-drug strategy unfolded recently, a surprising source of some of the harshest criticism was former President Fox of Calderon's own National Action Party.

"We should consider legalizing the production, sale and distribution of drugs," Fox wrote on his blog Aug. 7, making big newspaper headlines the next day. "Radical prohibition strategies have never worked."

Fox wrote that legalization would "break the economic system that allows cartels to make huge profits, which in turn increases their power and capacity to corrupt." He also called on Calderon to send soldiers back to the barracks.

The broadside from Fox coincided with criticism from opposition party chiefs. Jesus Ortega, the head of the leftist Revolutionary Democratic Party, backed Fox's calls for legalization and said prosecutors should examine the corrupt financial system. The money of the cartels "isn't stuffed under the mattresses of drug lords," he said.

Attorney General Arturo Chavez Chavez acknowledged that legal "stumbling blocks" hindered the confiscation of drug lords' assets, saying that the government soon would offer reforms.

However, Stewart, the Stratfor analyst, said that entrenched political and business interests would block any reform of law enforcement or money-laundering legislation.

"There are powerful interests in Mexico who benefit from the drug trade and the $40 billion, or whatever it is, that is pumped into the Mexican economy," Stewart said. "You're talking bankers. You're talking businesses that are laundering money, construction companies that are building resorts. People are becoming very rich off the flow of money."
The Miami Herald

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/15/v-fullstory/1776907/mexico-rethinks-drug-strategy.html#ixzz0whnW00t1

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleninja cat 09
A paranoid android
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 4,170
Loc: Mexico Flag
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: bugabuga420]
    #13055332 - 08/15/10 02:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Calderon is a nutcase, I'm ashamed to live in a country under his government, especially when the answer is so obvious.


--------------------
             :crazykitty:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineinfectedmushroom42
Stranger
Registered: 07/04/10
Posts: 14
Last seen: 13 years, 5 months
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #13055808 - 08/15/10 04:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

and what answer is that?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleninja cat 09
A paranoid android
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 4,170
Loc: Mexico Flag
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: infectedmushroom42]
    #13055937 - 08/15/10 04:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The dude made a declaration when he came into presidency that he was gonna end the drug cartels, they weren't that big of a problem until he mentioned that statement, now he either leaves a huge mess+death toll for the next president to deal with or he legalizes drugs and end this already lost war.


--------------------
             :crazykitty:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #13056407 - 08/15/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Mexico needs an armed force, I'd would never say it but these guys they are dealing with are terrorist.

They need lawyers,docters and soldiers, legalizing drugs isn't going to make the sickness go away overnight.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: Konyap]
    #13056448 - 08/15/10 06:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well 28000 deaths could mean 7 deaths per 800,000 so you gotta look at it that way...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleninja cat 09
A paranoid android
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 4,170
Loc: Mexico Flag
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: Konyap]
    #13057104 - 08/15/10 09:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We've got plenty of all three, what we need are good ones, and of course legalization isn't going to make everything go away but it'll help a great deal.


--------------------
             :crazykitty:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #13057416 - 08/15/10 10:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

honestly the illegal arms trade is whats wrong with this picture I just am terrified of what kind of people pack that heavy when they already have some curropt followers...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedondoodle
Stranger
Registered: 06/29/09
Posts: 407
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: Konyap]
    #13057789 - 08/16/10 01:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

aiyobro said:
Mexico needs an armed force, I'd would never say it but these guys they are dealing with are terrorist.

They need lawyers,docters and soldiers, legalizing drugs isn't going to make the sickness go away overnight.




Sickness what sickness is that? The sickness of the drug war and the profiteers of hte drug war which are politicians , cops, probation officers, jail guards and lawyers? Using drugs is a choice and a right.

Your petition in your signature area is nothing but a continuation of the drug war. Do you think drug use is some kind of disease? Are you a 12 steper?


--------------------
End American imperialism and colonization around the world and among the people conquered within the domestic empire.

Edited by dondoodle (08/16/10 01:34 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: dondoodle]
    #13057874 - 08/16/10 02:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

no fuckhead i just think we should keep arms out of it, you know buy a legal gun...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleninja cat 09
A paranoid android
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 4,170
Loc: Mexico Flag
Re: Mexico rethinks drug strategy as death toll soars [Re: Konyap]
    #13059467 - 08/16/10 02:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The biggest gun you can buy legally is a .22 and it's hard as all hell to get, I know a few people that got .357 very easily, illegally.


--------------------
             :crazykitty:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck, Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags by Magic Bag


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Feds Hunt for Mexico-Calif. Drug Tunnel Lana 1,966 4 04/18/04 10:08 PM
by TinMan
* All drugs decriminalised in Russia including dealing MetaShroom 2,213 6 05/28/04 12:55 AM
by matts
* U.S. considers tighter borders if Canada eases drug penaltie motamanM 2,532 1 05/04/03 04:48 PM
by Anonymous
* 2 teens charged in death of girl
( 1 2 3 4 all )
motamanM 19,954 64 04/28/22 06:14 PM
by schmutzen
* Cannabis is blamed as cause of man's death Stein 3,801 15 02/11/04 05:40 PM
by zeta
* GRAND JURY SUGGESTS DISTRIBUTION OF DRUGS TO FIGHT EVILS OF motamanM 1,944 1 05/08/03 05:25 PM
by Seuss
* Drug-fighters high on their own nonsense Annom 2,015 10 09/22/04 08:10 PM
by gdman
* The Drug War Goes Up in Smoke (lengthy but worthwhile read) Demiurge 5,385 2 08/14/03 06:17 AM
by TheHobbit

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: motaman, veggie, Alan Rockefeller, Mostly_Harmless
1,186 topic views. 0 members, 3 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.