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OrgoneConclusion
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Killing and morality
#12899664 - 07/14/10 06:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Killing for a small group (The IRA, The Crips) is evil.
Killing for a large group (a government) is good and worthy of recognition (unless we are talking about Hitler's Germany.)
If you kill for your own reasons not aligned to a group, then you are insane and/or pure evil.
In summation, killing is moral if you have enough people backing you. Of course, if your large group lost; then you are as immoral as a small group, but never as immoral as an individual acting on his own.
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Poid
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People are .
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Poid]
#12899695 - 07/14/10 07:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also important to note is that killing brown people is not as bad as killing white people.
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Poid
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What if I killed a Blues Brotha?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Poid]
#12899773 - 07/14/10 07:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blue people are extra sacred.
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ModusPwnd
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Killing is moral if it aligns with your own moral compass. Whats the issue?
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Poid
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: ModusPwnd]
#12899800 - 07/14/10 07:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The issue is mainstream society's moral compass regarding murder, and how it's retarded.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Freedom
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Poid]
#12899997 - 07/14/10 08:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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the conclusion is that people only pretend to know what they think or give a shit.
inside they are scared and don't know what to do and, oh shit there's always bad guys that want to destroy us and everything we stand for
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ModusPwnd
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Poid]
#12900113 - 07/14/10 08:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said: The issue is mainstream society's moral compass regarding murder, and how it's retarded.
Murder or killing? Those are very different things. In any case, I dont see it as retarded.
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Freedom
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: ModusPwnd]
#12900156 - 07/14/10 08:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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ModusPwnd said:
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Poid said: The issue is mainstream society's moral compass regarding murder, and how it's retarded.
Murder or killing? Those are very different things. In any case, I dont see it as retarded.
The roman catholic translation of the bible says "though shall not kill", the other translations say "though shall not murder"
don't forget voluntary and involuntary maslaughter
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andrewss
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OrgoneConclusion said: Also important to note is that killing brown people is not as bad as killing white people.
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Freedom
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: andrewss]
#12900282 - 07/14/10 08:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh I remembered something, you all will like this vid, I promise
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Icelander
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Freedom]
#12900323 - 07/14/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Majoses
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Freedom]
#12900328 - 07/14/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Freedom said: oh I remembered something, you all will like this vid, I promise
LMAO GENIUS
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Freedom
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Majoses]
#12900347 - 07/14/10 09:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah that dude was a smart mofo
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Zanwolf
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Freedom]
#12902016 - 07/15/10 06:58 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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People are killers by nature. What separates us from the animals, however, is the desire to destroy or kill/ murder for our own pleasure and sense of power.
The powers that be, the elites, the controllers, make wars because it brings in profit. Profit is the greatest way to control a civilisation. Using debt etc etc holds people into this system, but with the belief that they are safe, cared for, nurtured and free from the brutal reality that other countries inflict on their people if a 'crime' is committed.
It is true, due to the media, that Western society's 'attacks' on other countries are regarded as 'Doing the right thing' because the media manipulates us with propaganda and what not. The same happens in other countries such as Russia, they use propaganda to attack neighboring countries, while hiding their real intent.
Countries will always do war and use the media to manipulate the majority of the people to believe that the war is 'good' for the safety of 'our' people. However, as we have seen, most countries do not support the War on Terror (notice the use of the word terror, not terrorism) yet the British and American governments still keep sending their troops over there to fight for the 'safety of our societies' when in actual fact they just want to dominate and control that country for more power and profit.
They will use war to do it and put profit above human lifes, why? Well that's easy, people die everyday, people are born everyday, so as long as this cycle continues, then profit and control can be had. Meaning the new generation of kids will be easily controlled when it comes to having 3 jobs just to earn £800 a month which will only pay for bills. Profit will constantly expand so long as the cycle of human life continues.
Free will was never alive, we have all been lead to believe we all poses it, lies.
EVERYTHING in this world from a fish to an electric power station can be connected. We, as animal and human, work in circles, NEVER straight lines, everything is connected, just as everything is recycled and reused. We are lead to believe we are on a straight line though. DO NOT believe it and give in to the powers.
"Think for yourselves, question authority" - Maynard James Keenan
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Mufungo
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: If you kill for your own reasons not aligned to a group, then you are insane and/or pure evil.
...or justified to the extent the killing was done in "self-defence", or heroic when it's done to save another person(s) from someone else who is considered "bad".
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Ahimsa
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Since armies are legal we don't have the idea that they are wrong. We have been brainwashed. Killing is monstrous. The essence of killing is suffering and tragedy. Generals may give beautiful explanations of the need for war. Soldiers are made to forfeit their individual will and offer their own lives in the end. Media reports on killing and war are almost an addiction to the reporters and audiences alike. Morality has always been a cornerstone of human society, and the value of ethics remains whatever our believes or philosophies are. It is a basic human feeling and need for safety and love that should generate our morality and ethical behavior. Killing is what stands furthest from that goal!
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Budske
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Ahimsa]
#12902097 - 07/15/10 07:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what would have been your solution in WW2 if you were America right after pearl harbor?
Would you just attack the aggressor? Would you also defend the rights of others and attack a country that didnt directly attack you? or would you just decide to be an isolationist and ignore the problem?
Edited by Budske (07/15/10 07:50 AM)
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Ahimsa
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Re: Killing and morality [Re: Budske]
#12902142 - 07/15/10 08:03 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ofcourse, there is a direct need to counter unjust aggression. WWII is an example where war and killing was entirely justified. The Nazi tyranny had to be overthrown. But that is just only highlighting the point that war is violence and killing is immoral. When there are powerful armies the chances are a dictatorship will arise. I too am opposing war and killing and seek no appeasement either. Only in hindsight is it possible to judge whether killing was based on moral grounds or not. Nevertheless, it is infinitely better to avoid wars and killing then to go into war whereby the outcome is never certain!
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