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StaleShrooms
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why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms?
#11721388 - 12/26/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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why do they have to be "super dooper desiccant cracker dry" to store them? I always hear people say you should use a desiccant if they'll be stored for a long time, but i just fan dry mine and keep em in a mason jar and they keep for monthes. what could possibly happen if your shrooms arent dry enough and you store them for say... 6 monthes?
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Zed
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11721397 - 12/26/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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myco_mikey_mo
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: Zed]
#11721407 - 12/26/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11721411 - 12/26/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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They'll turn you gayer.
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chooken
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: Zed]
#11721420 - 12/26/09 01:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they aren't cracker dry, it means there is still some water in there. It might only be a tiny bit, but that is enough to let mold grow. I'm having the same thing with fan drying at the moment. It doesn't seem to dry it completely. I've just cut mine up once they are as dry as I can get em, put them in a ziplock bag, chucked in two desiccant bags with em and squeezed out all the air. I'm hoping that will get rid of any water in there.
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StaleShrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: Zed]
#11721424 - 12/26/09 01:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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anjay said: They'll turn you gayer.
lolz
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myco_mikey_mo said: oxidation
but wont psilocin oxidize anyway? or did you mean that the psilocybin will oxidize?
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Zed said: rot
but if they're pretty close to completely dry they wont rot. i mean the longest i've left fan dried shrooms was like 2 monthes but they didnt rot at all. if i had left them longer would they have rotted?
has anyone ever experienced stored shrooms start to rot? if so, how wet were they when put into storage? and how were they stored?
-------------------- Kick is seeing things from a special angle. Kick is momentary freedom from the claims of the aging, cautious, nagging, frightened flesh. Maybe I will find in yage what I was looking for in junk and weed and coke. Yage may be the final fix. ~William S. Burroughs
Edited by StaleShrooms (12/26/09 01:42 PM)
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Citizen13
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11721441 - 12/26/09 01:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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it only took 2lbs of fruits rotting one time for me to never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever store anything but cracker dry fruits and still i add a deccisent packet just to be sure.
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13shrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: myco_mikey_mo]
#11721445 - 12/26/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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no if you have any moisture at all even in 1 mushie the other dry mushies will wick the moisture into themselves making them all moist again which will rot in a few days. a lil packet of desicant or O2 remover in an airtight container is the best bet at no potency loss or risk of rot.
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chooken
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: 13shrooms]
#11721515 - 12/26/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess I could ask this here if anyone is kind enough to answer
I've read to not let desiccant touch your shroomies. Does this mean don't let the packet touch them or don't let any of the contents of the packet touch them. Maybe people take them from the packet for some reason?
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Citizen13
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: chooken]
#11721549 - 12/26/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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chooken said: I guess I could ask this here if anyone is kind enough to answer
I've read to not let desiccant touch your shroomies. Does this mean don't let the packet touch them or don't let any of the contents of the packet touch them. Maybe people take them from the packet for some reason?
dont let the contents.
noone wants to eat that stuff.
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anonjon
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11721717 - 12/26/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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StaleShrooms said:
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anjay said: They'll turn you gayer.
lolz
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myco_mikey_mo said: oxidation
but wont psilocin oxidize anyway? or did you mean that the psilocybin will oxidize?
Explain?
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StaleShrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: anonjon]
#11721744 - 12/26/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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First one: Shrooms make you gay. It's been proven by science.
Second One: Psilocin oxidizes rapidly. thats why your shrooms bruise blue. eventually all of it oxidizes if you dry your shrooms. atleast that my understanding. i could be wrong.
-------------------- Kick is seeing things from a special angle. Kick is momentary freedom from the claims of the aging, cautious, nagging, frightened flesh. Maybe I will find in yage what I was looking for in junk and weed and coke. Yage may be the final fix. ~William S. Burroughs
Edited by StaleShrooms (12/26/09 03:00 PM)
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13shrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11721942 - 12/26/09 03:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Second One: Psilocin oxidizes rapidly. thats why your shrooms bruise blue. eventually all of it oxidizes if you dry your shrooms. atleast that my understanding. i could be wrong.
prolonged exposure to oxygen degrades (oxidizes) the actives in any shroom fresh or dry thats whay its important to dry fast and store airtight. also heat over 220+F will do the same and direct sunlight after picking will lower potency. desiccant just insures they stay dry and O2 remover will keep oxidation at bay. store in a airtight container and put in a drawer, closet or storage tub (whatever) in a cool dry place.
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cyantific
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11722146 - 12/26/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive gotten away with 95% dry (pliant texture) being stored in little ziplocks in the freezer for over 3 months ... i dont like cracker dry sometimes because the shrooms begin to break apart too much ... not to mention its really humid here so its almost like the fuckers just rehydrate to that state anyway an hour after being exposed to the environment ...
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13shrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: cyantific]
#11722174 - 12/26/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could see that cuz the freezer is like a preservative any way.
not much happens while frozen...
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: 13shrooms]
#11722209 - 12/26/09 05:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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indeed lol ... its funny though because they sort of cure in the bags after a while and become uniform dryness ... never got moldy shrooms even after taking them out but leaving them in the ziplocks for weeks at a time ... definitely not a recommendation of mine lol it just works well for me ... got it down to my own cyance ... hehe
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StaleShrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: 13shrooms]
#11722213 - 12/26/09 05:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: I could see that cuz the freezer is like a preservative any way.
not much happens while frozen...
except wet shroom's cell walls bbreak down, so when you thaw em out they turn into goop.
like lettuce left in the fridge too long
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11722268 - 12/26/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's hard for me to dry mine out in front of a fan sometimes. I live in FL and if I crack a window to let the breeze come in, the super humid air instantly makes all my mushies wet again.
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StaleShrooms
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: ambargh]
#11722349 - 12/26/09 05:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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ambargh said: It's hard for me to dry mine out in front of a fan sometimes. I live in FL and if I crack a window to let the breeze come in, the super humid air instantly makes all my mushies wet again.
you could do what i used to do and put them ontop of a box fan. once they get dry they have a tendency to fly off though, so just put a window screen over the fan. it works pretty well.
-------------------- Kick is seeing things from a special angle. Kick is momentary freedom from the claims of the aging, cautious, nagging, frightened flesh. Maybe I will find in yage what I was looking for in junk and weed and coke. Yage may be the final fix. ~William S. Burroughs
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Citizen13
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Re: why do people insist that long term storage requires cracker dry shrooms? [Re: StaleShrooms]
#11722472 - 12/26/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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StaleShrooms said:
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ambargh said: It's hard for me to dry mine out in front of a fan sometimes. I live in FL and if I crack a window to let the breeze come in, the super humid air instantly makes all my mushies wet again.
you could do what i used to do and put them ontop of a box fan. once they get dry they have a tendency to fly off though, so just put a window screen over the fan. it works pretty well.
i was never able to get fruits cracker dry in florida just using a box fan. the fan is blowing HUMID air across your fruits and it just isnt possible. they would at best, be bendy and almost dry.
in florida, you need to use a dehydrator that utilizes a small amount of heat or you will just be banging your head against the wall trying to figure out why they won't dry
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