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 Here is something for science to try to explain! 
#11147975 - 09/29/09 12:53 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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They didn't teach me this at school... in fact I only found out about this on YouTube...
Saturn has a giant hexagon on its north pole, that is rotating. This hexagon is absolutely massive and defies the known principles of aerodynamics.
Please someone representing a sort of skeptical atheist position needs to do something about this.
It is just so bizarre
Explanations are wanted
standing waves are the most likely candidate, but to suggest that it is the answer is premature - such wave patterns have not been modeled before.
-Infared capture
-a recreated image
check it out on the tube
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Noteworthy]
#11148013 - 09/29/09 01:00 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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someone representing a sort of skeptical atheist position needs to do something about this.
Why do they need to? And how is a hexagram anti-God or pro-God?
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11148148 - 09/29/09 01:47 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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'need' in the sense of 'I want'
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Noteworthy]
#11148213 - 09/29/09 02:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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'need' in the sense of 'I want'
Why don't you want perspectives from all sides? That gives you the most balanced answer.
I mean, I'm no atheist, but I just watched Religulous with Bill Mayer and I found it to be incredibly biased...he cut out a lot of things and only chose to include stupid people in his documentary. I could've debated an existence of God logically for hours with him. The unified force? Hello? Infinite energy, underlying all of matter, which really could not hold at all without this force holding atoms together and repelling opposite forces? The nuclei of a single atom would be the size of a tree on our Earth in comparison to the entire universe. This force, exists in ourselves and also non-sentient objects. Also, quantum information can travel faster than the speed of light, so as our bodies decompose, our information that made us who we are spreads out, and thus takes on a stronger quantum state as tissues decompose into individual molecules, which decompose into individual, separate atoms, which can exist everywhere at once, which would be a good description of "God". It's like a strobe light. Think of each atom like a strobe light. You have it flicker into existence in this universe as well as all the other infinite number of universes, at all times. The force underlying your very being, after you die and decompose, would return to this very tiny, fundamental force. Sounds like what I would call "God" to me, but people always criticize me on my views, even though I combine modern physics and science with my belief.
I would say it's some sort of wind disturbance on Saturn that creates fractals, just like a lot of other things we see in our universe.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#11148232 - 09/29/09 02:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would like to hear more about these fractal wind patterns that you speak of, and less about stuff that you wrote about in another thread
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#11148249 - 09/29/09 02:18 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you've got a lot of interesting theories there....
Care to share any reading material?
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Noteworthy]
#11148276 - 09/29/09 02:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Think of it as a hypnotizing visualization. It keeps repeating itself over and over and over again. I have no idea how wind could create it, but apparently some crop circles that have fractal-like designs could possibly be created by strong winds. Most crop circles are created by humans, like mazes or simple geometric patterns...But a group of humans cannot create a fractal-looking object overnight that can be seen from high up in the air.
There are eyewitnesses to some of these crop circles, that take on VERY intricate designs. And they are made overnight.
I don't know why you want to shut your brain off to some information. All information is relevant to reaching a valid hypothesis. And yet, a lot of people think God is some muscular bearded dude in the sky. Probably like you would picture God, and that's why you're atheist? I'm just taking a guess, I'm not trying to offend you in any way. I have just noticed that about a lot of people on these forums, that they insist that God is what religion made him out to be. Not so. It's what science is currently close to proving. That's what it is. A unified force that exists in all matter...even though "matter" is hardly real anymore. It has no definition, no shape, no existence, until this unified force comes into play. I mean, if you think string theory is logical, you would have to think that there's an individual force inside of you, that makes you who you are, because its at certain frequencies that strings vibrate that create different particles. And we are made of those particles. The vibrations of the strings shouldn't change if we are all comprised of virtually the same genome. I don't think it's bullshit at all.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#11148290 - 09/29/09 02:32 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you talking to me?Quote:
I don't know why you want to shut your brain off to some information. All information is relevant to reaching a valid hypothesis. And yet, a lot of people think God is some muscular bearded dude in the sky. Probably like you would picture God, and that's why you're atheist? I'm just taking a guess, I'm not trying to offend you in any way. I have just noticed that about a lot of people on these forums, that they insist that God is what religion made him out to be. Not so. It's what science is currently close to proving. That's what it is. A unified force that exists in all matter...even though "matter" is hardly real anymore. It has no definition, no shape, no existence, until this unified force comes into play. I mean, if you think string theory is logical, you would have to think that there's an individual force inside of you, that makes you who you are, because its at certain frequencies that strings vibrate that create different particles. And we are made of those particles. The vibrations of the strings shouldn't change if we are all comprised of virtually the same genome. I don't think it's bullshit at all.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#11148300 - 09/29/09 02:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha I don't know why you ramble the way you do tyler, but I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Noteworthy]
#11148527 - 09/29/09 04:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Scientists theorize the hexagon is an example of cymatics caused by radio waves being emitted from Saturn. It's a very interesting phenomenon. This video is a demonstration of cymatics using sound waves being projected through a metal plate.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#11148639 - 09/29/09 05:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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...But a group of humans cannot create a fractal-looking object overnight that can be seen from high up in the air.
Wrong! Please don't post your delusions as factual. Thank you.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Lakefingers]
#11148654 - 09/29/09 05:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see what angle you are taking lakefingers but I don't think it is a prime example here.
Firstly, fibonacci sequences occur very frequently in all sorts of ways - hexagons only occur (other than saturn) in crystals and insect hives, where shapes have been conformed into regularity due to limited options.
Secondly, the hexagon is not interesting because of its visual appearence - there are lots of strangely 'thoughtful' shapes in the universe. The interesting thing is that it is a hexagon on a massive scale that is rotating very quickly in a set of clouds which themselves are moving smoothly and concentrically. With that amount of drag (or alternatively, that level of synchyronisation in the wave patterns standing in the clouds), one ought to see some complementary phenomenon.
oh and theres a hotspot on the pole. ie, the hottest place on saturn is the hexagon.
weird shit going on, my fellow earthlings
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Lakefingers]
#11148660 - 09/29/09 05:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see what angle you are taking lakefingers but I don't think it is a prime example here.
Firstly, fibonacci sequences occur everywhere - hexagons only occur (other than saturn) in crystals and insect creations.
Secondly, the hexagon is not interesting because of its visual appearence - there are lots of strangely 'thoughtful' shapes in the universe. The interesting thing is that it is a hexagon on a massive scale that is rotating very quickly in a set of clouds which themselves are moving smoothly and concentrically. With that amount of drag (or alternatively, that level of synchyronisation in the wave patterns standing in the clouds), one ought to see some complementary phenomenon.
oh and theres a hotspot on the pole. ie, the hottest place on saturn is the hexagon.
weird shit going on, my fellow earthlings
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Noteworthy]
#11148689 - 09/29/09 05:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess you are going to keep it a secret as to why you think atheism is relevant to exploring this phenomenon.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11148709 - 09/29/09 06:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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don't suggest that you are willing to discuss things just because youre willing to find one loose phrase to pick on.
I mentioned atheism simply because various people take this as a symbol of the creator. I do not agree with that position, but out of tradition, it is the place of the atheist to refute them.
one refutation is - No! you cannot infer god simply because something seems more marvelous than your calculations can predict.
but thats just always given.
another refutation is - to show that what seems beautiful and humanised is actually just something that ought to be that way according to laws which themselves are much less beautiful and humanised.
The latter refutation is the one that I am waiting and searching for.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Noteworthy]
#11148769 - 09/29/09 06:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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don't suggest that you are willing to discuss things just because youre willing to find one loose phrase to pick on.
Your loose phrases are not to be discussed and it is the reader's job to detect which are not loose? 
In future posts, please use different colors and highlight the important stuff in red.
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I mentioned atheism simply because various people take this as a symbol of the creator.
Other people's delusions or origin stories have nothing to do with extra-planetary meteorology. Try again.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11149061 - 09/29/09 08:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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If we can't explain it god must have done it! 
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: Grapefruit]
#11149082 - 09/29/09 08:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is the default position, like when I tried to explain to my wife how the babysitter got pregnant.
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Re: Here is something for science to try to explain! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11149321 - 09/29/09 09:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Noteworthy:
Asking a "skeptical" person for an explanation for a natural phenomena is sort of contradictory, don't you think?
This isn't exciting unless you believe in science too much, its just one more thing to look at. Just because science can't explain it doesn't mean its special.
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