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What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened?
    #11113149 - 09/23/09 02:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The mind itself, or the mind's perspective?
Preference maybe?

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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11113261 - 09/23/09 03:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Define awakened. :levitate:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11113281 - 09/23/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

My definition of awakened may be flawed and skewed per perspective

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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11113367 - 09/23/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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My definition of awakened may be flawed and skewed per perspective



All things are defined from perspective. Objective things vary the least from perspective.:levitate:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11113488 - 09/23/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There is no biggest obstacle and there is no awakening.

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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: xFrockx]
    #11113961 - 09/23/09 05:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
There is no biggest obstacle and there is no awakening.



:watchingyou: Proof?


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11114176 - 09/23/09 05:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The ego, the sense of self- hands down.


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #11114248 - 09/23/09 05:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
The ego, the sense of self- hands down.



The ego is not the sense of self, it is arrogance. :levitate:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11114277 - 09/23/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened?





A broken alarm clock. :shrug:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11114494 - 09/23/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

By self I mean the false separation between 'I' and 'not I'.
That could be seen as a type of arrogance.


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #11114525 - 09/23/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
By self I mean the false separation between 'I' and 'not I'.
That could be seen as a type of arrogance.




There is no separation, one must however know where their body ends, and 100% influence decreases. :egyptian::pride:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11114567 - 09/23/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, there is no separation.
So how would one go about finding where 'their body ends' if there is no separation?


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #11114656 - 09/23/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I agree, there is no separation.
So how would one go about finding where 'their body ends' if there is no separation?



Find where 100% influence ends.


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11114971 - 09/23/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

100% influence of what, over what? my will, over my body?


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #11115092 - 09/23/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Everything, hence 100%:cactuarrun:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11115116 - 09/23/09 07:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Ah. I see now.
:thirdeyeani:


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11115314 - 09/23/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Fraggin said:
The mind itself, or the mind's perspective?
Preference maybe?


Mind's perspective is closer to the truth I think.  On the Buddhist path for example one must have "right view".  One probably needs a mind to have right view!  Mind is not a problem.  Basically the big problems which prevent us from living conscious, compassionate lives seem to me to be negative actions, habitual action without mindfulness, craving (especially sensory pleasure, but also fame, immortality, enlightenment, and other things), inertia and laziness, negative thinking, hatefulness and anger.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11115822 - 09/23/09 09:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

what's this talk about an obstacle?


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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11117491 - 09/24/09 04:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

not necessarily the mind by itself, but your identification with it
(which is an attribute of the mind itself!)

this is why only Self contemplation leads to permanent awakening

what really is the True nature of 'I'?

this question is more than enough
but people want philsosophy, teachings, practices, exercises...
all these retain the ego...

anything the ego does, will become undone
anything the ego puts together, will fall apart

can awakening be done & undone?
or put together & fall apart?

it is only awakening to What Is

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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
    #11117493 - 09/24/09 04:22 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Ego, arrogance, unwillingness to admit to your shortcomings and carefully review them.

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