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LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no
    #10992431 - 09/03/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

always heard about Kubrick's use of LSD and after a quick search I found this quote of his: 

Playboy: Have you ever used LSD or other so-called counsciosness-expanding drugs?

Kubrick: No. I believe that drugs are basically of more use to the audience than to the artist. I think that the illusion of oneness with the universe, and absorption with the significance of every object in your environment, and the pervasive aura of peace and contentment  is not the ideal state for an artist. It tranquillizes the creative personality, which thrives on conflict and on the clash and ferment of ideas. The artist’s transcendence must be within is own work; he should not impose any artificial barriers between himself and the mainspring of his subconscious. One of the things that’s turned me against LSD is that all the people I know who use it have a peculiar inability to distinguish between things that are really interesting and stimulating and things that appear so in the state of universal bliss the drug induces on a “good” trip. They seem to completely lose their critical faculties and disengage themselves from some of the most stimulating areas of life. Perhaps when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful.




Please discuss.

PS: I'm sorry if you've already seen this in the PE forum but there are actually very different people visiting that and this forum and i just wanted to see more opinions. :thumbup:


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Hiei]
    #10992435 - 09/03/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

pretty cool.  I respect that.

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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Hiei]
    #10992452 - 09/03/09 01:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Hiei]
    #10992459 - 09/03/09 01:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I can see where he's coming from.  But LSD isn't all sunshine and rainbows.  If you took it while in a manic artistic state, I think it could accentuate that state and possible create artistic possibilities that wouldn't have arisen before. 

And in any case, working while on acid is one thing, but having a psychedelic experience under your belt couldn't possibly be bad for art.

Also, I think acid could make a person that otherwise wouldn't be inclined towards art to consider making some themselves.  Overall, when I look at art of all types before and after the 60's I don't think it's much of an argument.


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: PreparationH]
    #10992470 - 09/03/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I respect his opinion but I do not agree with it.


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: danlennon3]
    #10992593 - 09/03/09 01:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Since when does LSD make everything infinitely blissful and without conflict. I've had many an LSD trip that were not blissful and were sure full of conflict.

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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #10992623 - 09/03/09 01:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah plus he's got that classic bullshit attitude of "the illusion that you're one with the universe." Of all people I would think the artist would understand the validity of any personal experience.


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: g00ru]
    #10992683 - 09/03/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah plus he's got that classic bullshit attitude of "the illusion that you're one with the universe." Of all people I would think the artist would understand the validity of any personal experience.



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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Sellith]
    #10992748 - 09/03/09 02:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

In those times acid was everywhere he probably met people who abused it too much and were those burnouts that think everything is significant and trippy when in reality it was mostly just interesting cause they're high and not so much deep connections or understandings to truly interesting things, as he put it.

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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Sellith]
    #10992753 - 09/03/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Darkestone]
    #10992767 - 09/03/09 02:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever works for him. He can't speak for every other artist like he is the standard of creativity.


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Drunken_Jester]
    #10992792 - 09/03/09 02:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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In those times acid was everywhere he probably met people who abused it too much and were those burnouts that think everything is significant and trippy when in reality it was mostly just interesting cause they're high and not so much deep connections or understandings to truly interesting things, as he put it.




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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: danlennon3]
    #10992814 - 09/03/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I respect his opinion but I do not agree with it.




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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Rocker232]
    #10992836 - 09/03/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I can respect his opinion. But I fucking LOVE how people who have never even tried a certain drug before in their life think they have to right to criticize it.
Although I can agree with his reasoning... LSD is not something you can even begin to have an opinion on if you've never tried it IMO.


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Shroomism]
    #10992852 - 09/03/09 02:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Darkestone]
    #10992864 - 09/03/09 02:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It's quite a matter of fact that everyone 'abusing' psychedelics almost never produced anything significant art-wise (while still being very inspired and producing a lot of art) other than something interesting (for us trippers at least), colorful and not actually new or provocative. See Alex Grey.

psychedelic art ain't anything new or appreciable for the people anymore. We're in 2009 after all.

But still this isn't about purely psychedelic art, it's about LSD creating a state of self-contentness (?) which is bad for the true artist, who apparently needs to be moved by something more than what LSD gives you.

He says people who use LSD are often brought to think that everything is in fact interesting in its own way and meaningful, which in a way is TRUE and I think everybody who's tripped knows that but it isn't exactly what helps an artist producing true art, which may criticize and make people think and all that.

Reading what Kubrick said, I see it like LSD is good for just a kind of art. The optimistic one perhaps?

I'm kinda in a hurry and can't keep expressing my thoughts know.

Keep in mind I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here.

Peace.

PS: I actually think he tried it. Can't be sure anyway...


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Hiei]
    #10992976 - 09/03/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe he is saying this because he thinks people should not take LSD for the sole purpose of enchancing artistic ability. Maybe he was worried that if he praised psychedelics,many people would start taking LSD for the wrong reasons. who knows?


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: danlennon3]
    #10993031 - 09/03/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

or maybe he's not looking to blow his cover


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Shroomism]
    #10993040 - 09/03/09 03:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I can respect his opinion. But I fucking LOVE how people who have never even tried a certain drug before in their life think they have to right to criticize it.
Although I can agree with his reasoning... LSD is not something you can even begin to have an opinion on if you've never tried it IMO.


Barely after you've tried it, either.

My experiences on LSD have pushed me toward the creation of art, for sure.  Poetry, story, music, picture, painting...I love making all of it and hope to spend a lifetime learning to unlock my mind and body's talents for it.


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Re: LSD good for the artist? Kubrick says no [Re: Lion]
    #10993081 - 09/03/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'm a musician... who's written hundreds of riffs I'd consider awesome on LSD, with that said... i've also written the same amount that suck. With that said... i've also written hundreds of amazing/shitty riffs sober, stoned, nodding, ect, ect.

The key for me as a musician is always to write something, commit it to tape and then listen to it again in 6 months. If it's still awesome after all that time... then you have a keeper. I think art is about a lot of experimentation and hard work... odviously if you just drop a tab and expect to write something amazing in a few hours, it's probably not going to work out. But I think it's impossible to deny LSD can be used by some in a positive way, the key is knowing how to do it- as I explained above.

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