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dodeski
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PNW central oregon coast ID request
#10990356 - 09/03/09 12:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Habitat: Under conifers growing in moss maybe on buried wood
Gills: Color white, adnexed to free, close
Stem: Length 7cm, diameter 1cm, color white bluish black bruising may have been part of coloring, texture scaly, hollow, fibrouse
Cap: Diameter 2 - 2.5 cm, color tan brown, texture scales, bell shaped fibrouse veil Spore print color: dirt brown
Bruising: looks to be bluish black
Other information: Scent of the mushroom smelt fondly of cubinsis in the wild but at home clean crisp only slightly earthy I believe this to be some sort of Cortinarius sp.
-------------------- "People use the word "natural" ... What is natural to me are these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the Sunday school teachings." -Timothy Leary “You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness.” ― Terence McKenna "In defying the authority we become the authorities" - Unknown
Edited by dodeski (09/03/09 12:57 AM)
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: dodeski]
#10990414 - 09/03/09 12:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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dodeski
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10990423 - 09/03/09 12:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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forgot to add pics sorry
-------------------- "People use the word "natural" ... What is natural to me are these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the Sunday school teachings." -Timothy Leary “You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness.” ― Terence McKenna "In defying the authority we become the authorities" - Unknown
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: dodeski]
#10990806 - 09/03/09 04:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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This might be Inocybe calamistrata
Does it smell fishy at all?
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dodeski
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: Chaos_ultt]
#10990822 - 09/03/09 04:18 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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actually it does kinda smell like salmon now thats its been sitting out
-------------------- "People use the word "natural" ... What is natural to me are these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the Sunday school teachings." -Timothy Leary “You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness.” ― Terence McKenna "In defying the authority we become the authorities" - Unknown
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dodeski
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: dodeski]
#10990865 - 09/03/09 04:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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you know i think you hit the nail on the head. Stoked about the first Psilocybins of the fall season!!
-------------------- "People use the word "natural" ... What is natural to me are these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the Sunday school teachings." -Timothy Leary “You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness.” ― Terence McKenna "In defying the authority we become the authorities" - Unknown
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nicechrisman
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: dodeski]
#10991164 - 09/03/09 07:00 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think it's a psilocybe if that's what you're thinking. All the psilocybes I've found have a purplish blackish spore print. I've never seen any dirt brown.
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: nicechrisman]
#10992054 - 09/03/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocybe calamistrata for sure, especially given the fish smell. Probably toxic.
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dodeski
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: nicechrisman]
#10992791 - 09/03/09 02:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its in the minor Psilocybe genus this species has been found to contain Psilocybin and be active in on more then one occasion, but has also been found to contain deadly amounts of the aminita toxin muscarine/muscamol and in some cases it also may contain other potentially harmfully alkaloids
-------------------- "People use the word "natural" ... What is natural to me are these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the Sunday school teachings." -Timothy Leary “You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness.” ― Terence McKenna "In defying the authority we become the authorities" - Unknown
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dodeski
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Thanks again Alan. I may find someone to do extra tests on this guy knowing they are rare especially in there natural environment. we need to do more research on more of these specimens. i also have started a mycelium culture to help inoculate the back yard in hopes to see this beautiful mushroom again.
-------------------- "People use the word "natural" ... What is natural to me are these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the Sunday school teachings." -Timothy Leary “You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness.” ― Terence McKenna "In defying the authority we become the authorities" - Unknown
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Twiztidsage
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: dodeski]
#10992901 - 09/03/09 02:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Paul Stamets:
"Recently I collected a lone specimen of I. calamistrata from an old-growth forest in the Staircase Wilderness region of the Olympic Mountains (Washington) and had it analyzed. The test came back negative, despite the teasing blue-blackening reaction at the base of the stem. I advise you to approach Inocybe calamistrata with caution, given these inconclusive analyses....
"With this genus, you are more likely to find one that is toxic before you find one that is psilocybin active or innocuous.
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: Twiztidsage]
#10992925 - 09/03/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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it should also be noted that i read while researching this species last year that the large, robust form known from the PNW may not actually fall under P. calamistrata proper.
i don't remember where i read that, but it may have been arora.
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: dodeski]
#10993005 - 09/03/09 02:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its in the minor Psilocybe genus
There is no minor Psilocybe genus. Inocybe calamistrata is in the Inocybe genus.
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this species has been found to contain Psilocybin and be active in on more then one occasion
I think that likely to be a false positive.
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but has also been found to contain deadly amounts of the aminita toxin muscarine/muscamol
No members of Inocybe contain muscamol. Of the 700 known species, 690 contain muscarine, 4 are inactive and 6 contain psilocybin. If I. calamistrata does not contain psilocybin, it is almost certain to contain muscarine.
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Twiztidsage
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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Its in the minor Psilocybe genus
There is no minor Psilocybe genus. Inocybe calamistrata is in the Inocybe genus.
I think he meant to say Minor Psilocybin Genera, meaning the few genera that sometimes contain psilocybin and psilocin; and sometimes amatoxins and phallotoxins. Such as Conocybe, Pluteus, Gymnopilus, and Inocybe.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: Twiztidsage]
#10993118 - 09/03/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think he meant to say Minor Psilocybin Genera
I noticed that after I had posted.
But Psilocybe and psilocybin are not the same - in fact they will soon be mutually exclusive.
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Twiztidsage
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What do you mean?
Isn't Psilocybe a genus and psilocybin a chemical?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: Twiztidsage]
#10993232 - 09/03/09 03:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't Psilocybe a genus and psilocybin a chemical?
Yes. And soon all of the Psilocybes that have psilocybin will get kicked out of Psilocybe, leaving only the inactive members.
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Twiztidsage
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What will the actives be after that?
Where do you get your info because I would love to read about that?
Mucho Thankos!
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: PNW central oregon coast ID request [Re: Twiztidsage]
#10993610 - 09/03/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What will the actives be after that?
Where ever Guzman puts them when he publishes his new monograph in a couple years. Maybe Psychedelia or Weraroa.
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Where do you get your info because I would love to read about that?
Hey, Man, Do any Weraroa Grow Around Here?
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thetonebone72
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Weraroa, eh? I didn't even attempt to pronounce the new name for Stropharia aurantiaca. I spent so much time learning to say aurantiaca.
Weraroa azurescens Weraroa cyanescens Weraroa baeocystis Weraroa stuntzii
...just wanted to see what it would look like
cool article Alan
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