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whats a good programming language after java/c(++)?
    #10648719 - 07/09/09 05:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys, I didn't get a job this summer so I was thinking about learning a new language or two.  I have experience with Java and C(++) from college, so what would be a good language to learn after those?

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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: smoothrider267]
    #10651540 - 07/10/09 06:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Since you said that you were interested in ASIC design and FPGAs, I would go with VHDL.


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: Seuss]
    #10651947 - 07/10/09 09:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)




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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: Wizard_of_Odds]
    #10652434 - 07/10/09 11:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ewwww... pico?  Kinda 'sez' it all.


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: Seuss]
    #10653406 - 07/10/09 02:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i just looked up a screen shot of pico.
you couldn't tell nano from pico, aside from the top left corner.


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: sherm]
    #10654112 - 07/10/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

> you couldn't tell nano from pico, aside from the top left corner.

*laugh*  Didn't notice the editor until I got to the bottom.  Good catch.


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: Seuss]
    #10665027 - 07/12/09 07:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

IF you really want to understand computers deeply
the next language I would suggest would be assembly code
assembly gets a lot easier once you learn how to model the CPU in your head
and plane old C


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: arainbow]
    #10665070 - 07/12/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on what you want to develop for. If you want to develop for the web, check these technologies out.

SQL (MySQL)
PHP
XML / XHTML
CSS
JavaScript
ActionScript

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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: avatar]
    #10665217 - 07/12/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If your going to do web development a break from computers to study art would also be a good idea


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: arainbow]
    #10667316 - 07/13/09 03:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you want to be a computer scientist (as well as a programmer) study lisp.

If you want to program, and have fun doing it, start with python! I have a bunch of ebooks if you are interested, and there are a ton of resources on the web. google "learning python pdf" and you'll find the book you are looking for.
Happy coding!


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: abetterlie]
    #10667412 - 07/13/09 04:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Python, WTF?

Study C# and VB :smile:

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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: abetterlie]
    #10667804 - 07/13/09 08:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've started learning Python 3.0, but there isn't much out on it yet.

So far I've read A Byte of Python (for Python 3.0), and have started on the official tutorial that came with the Python 3.0 download package.

Do you know of any good books for Py3k? Especially ones that have torrents available?

I'm assuming Learning Python 4th edition covers Py3k, but the 3rd edition came out before they released v3.0, so I doubt it covers it.


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: smoothrider267]
    #10667927 - 07/13/09 08:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'd suggest going onto to craigslist and look up tech jobs require. Looks like a lot of php, c#, and database ish. Makes me wonder why all I've done in 3.5 years of college is C. Thanks for taking my money and leaving me with extensive knowledge in an archaic language... :smile:


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: acacia314]
    #10668158 - 07/13/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly it'd be a much better use of your time to learn a bunch of algorithms and look into how a computer works on the hardware level. Knowing how registers, stacks and heaps work will be a lot more useful to you later on than learning another programming language. And algorithms, well they're invaluable. Being able to program in 5 languages doesn't mean a thing if you don't know which algorithms work best for any given problem.

To keep it from being too drab write a simple game, like Pac-man. There's a lot of problem solving involved in trying to write AI for the ghosts and an autoplayer for Pacman. Especially if you try to do it elegantly instead of just brute forcing the problems with huge if-then trees.

Point being don't focus too much on how many languages you can write in. Once you know one OO language it's pretty easy to switch to another. Knowing how to use a language to solve problems is what will net you a good job later on.


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: smoothrider267]
    #10671790 - 07/13/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I would say it greatly depends on what direction you are looking to go. I think personally the low level stuff is more interesting. I work mainly with embedded stuff so perhaps I'm biased.

If you are going to look into VHDL I would recommend something that teaches some basic digital logic as well. It will make much more sense to you if you try to understand it from that level as opposed to taking a strict software point of view. I'm not sure of your education. Maybe you already have some of this.

You can also get a better understanding of computer architecture and assembly language by understanding some building blocks of digital systems.

I can't really help on the high level OO/web stuff... I don't really get my head above C lately.

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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: smoothrider267]
    #10671898 - 07/13/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Threads like this make me jealous.  I wish I was even mildly skilled at programming.  You guys get props.  :thumbup:

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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: Kodath]
    #10674576 - 07/14/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's very true all the mathematics, structures, and algorithms are invaluable! My education is really language independent so i shouldn't complain :smile:


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: acacia314]
    #10674747 - 07/14/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

WEll I just finsihed an algorithms course, and already took a data structures course, as well as an assembly language course haha.  So at this point I am just looking at languages to learn.  Just something to do over the summer, ya know?  And I am not too sure, but as of right now I think I would rather go more programmer than computer scientist (although I find some fields pretty cool).

I started looking at some python things, but is php really good for the internet?  I was thinking about giving that a try.

And acacia, I would agree with you.  I see a lot of those languages around, too.

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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: smoothrider267]
    #10675876 - 07/14/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If its just for fun you think about actionscript? Make some flash games and maybe some money...Or if you got mac os you can develop iphone apps for free


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Re: whats a good programming language after java/c(++)? [Re: Kodath]
    #10677006 - 07/14/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Honestly it'd be a much better use of your time to learn a bunch of algorithms and look into how a computer works on the hardware level. Knowing how registers, stacks and heaps work will be a lot more useful to you later on than learning another programming language. And algorithms, well they're invaluable. Being able to program in 5 languages doesn't mean a thing if you don't know which algorithms work best for any given problem.

To keep it from being too drab write a simple game, like Pac-man. There's a lot of problem solving involved in trying to write AI for the ghosts and an autoplayer for Pacman. Especially if you try to do it elegantly instead of just brute forcing the problems with huge if-then trees.

Point being don't focus too much on how many languages you can write in. Once you know one OO language it's pretty easy to switch to another. Knowing how to use a language to solve problems is what will net you a good job later on.



the lower level of the hard ware is right there exposed in assembly language because it is so much work to express an algorithm and there is so much more that needs to be kept in the head the simplest and shortest algorithm tend to be the ones used (programs tend to be broken down in much smaller parts to program at a time than other languages)
another bonus from learning assembly is that you can almost read any programming language the first time you see it


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