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mr.coolass
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RR Videos and Pan Cyans
#10647331 - 07/09/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been wanting to grow some pan cyan's for a while. I'm looking through RR's videos and the 5 steps to east grain caught my attention, just wondering if i should use the same substrate to spawn with or go with a Wild Bird Seed substrate or finch seed instead of the "Organic Rye Berries" in which he uses for the spawn.
Also, for his manure preparation video, just wondering if pans work well with the gypsum and if i should leave it out or just follow the exact work flow. thanks, anybody with experience with pans or who know his video's - your input is much appreciated!
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Doc_T
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: mr.coolass]
#10647590 - 07/09/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rye berries are best, WBS will work. Other grains too, some use popcorn. I just recently started with gypsum, it works adequately without.
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mr.coolass
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: Doc_T]
#10651951 - 07/10/09 09:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey, that sounds great. is there any use of using lime in the substrate or casing, this will raise the ph level, but maybe manure is already good enough to use without it?
Also, in Ralphsters Pan Cultivation tek, he uses the same substrate for his casing layer one the substrate is colonized and than fruits. Just reassuring this is a good way to go or if a 50/50 is better. pans work especially well on manure, so why not use manure verm as the casing layer as well.
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Edited by mr.coolass (07/10/09 10:43 AM)
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mr.coolass
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: mr.coolass]
#10652281 - 07/10/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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bump^
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TacoHerder
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: mr.coolass]
#10652381 - 07/10/09 11:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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becuase the casing layer is to hold in the moister, not suppose to casing layer that will have the nutrients that are in the manure.
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: mr.coolass]
#10652455 - 07/10/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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This may help clear some things up. http://www.shroomery.org/8698/Panaeolus-cyanescens-growth-parameters
I spawn to horse manure and make my substrate about 1-1 1/2" thick and case with normal 50/50 peat/verm 1/4-1/2". CH
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: TacoHerder]
#10652467 - 07/10/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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TacoHerder said: becuase the casing layer is to hold in the moister, not suppose to casing layer that will have the nutrients that are in the manure.
Some teks for Pans say to use the same material for the casing layer as you used for substrate. Those teks may be out dated but I know that it worked from pics I have seen, but 50/50 works for me. CH
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: CH HELL]
#10652479 - 07/10/09 11:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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just wondering what harm could having a nutritious casing layer?
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: TacoHerder]
#10652495 - 07/10/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it would just be longer colonization time.. be basically like adding more sub..?
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: TacoHerder]
#10652502 - 07/10/09 11:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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TacoHerder said: just wondering what harm could having a nutritious casing layer?
Well as you stated it is to hold moister, if you used a nutritious layer on top of your sub then it isn't really a casing layer because the myc will colonize it. CH
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: CH HELL]
#10652528 - 07/10/09 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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O, thanks for the help
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mr.coolass
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: TacoHerder]
#10652555 - 07/10/09 11:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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what if you fruited after 24-48 hours, that won't give the manure enough time to colonize and will begin pinning will it not?
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Edited by mr.coolass (07/10/09 12:41 PM)
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: mr.coolass]
#10653024 - 07/10/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Use rye berries to horse or cow manure in a substrate no deeper than 1 1/2". When colonized, use a very thin peat/verm casing layer no more than 1/4" thick. Copes are easy to grow. Many cube growers make the mistake of too thick a substrate, which doesn't work well for some reason. RR
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10653063 - 07/10/09 01:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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good to know
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mr.coolass
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thanks everyone! Roger, in your casing video, do you put the jars in the water to pasteurize, and how deep are they in there? and where can i find these organic rye berries, wal-mart, home depot.../
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Edited by mr.coolass (07/10/09 02:37 PM)
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10653755 - 07/10/09 04:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Use rye berries to horse or cow manure in a substrate no deeper than 1 1/2". When colonized, use a very thin peat/verm casing layer no more than 1/4" thick. Copes are easy to grow. Many cube growers make the mistake of too thick a substrate, which doesn't work well for some reason. RR
I just want to make sure that this is just for Pans. Cubes require more to 3-4" of substrate, correct?
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: HeadFood]
#10653772 - 07/10/09 04:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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HeadFood said:
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RogerRabbit said: Use rye berries to horse or cow manure in a substrate no deeper than 1 1/2". When colonized, use a very thin peat/verm casing layer no more than 1/4" thick. Copes are easy to grow. Many cube growers make the mistake of too thick a substrate, which doesn't work well for some reason. RR
I just want to make sure that this is just for Pans. Cubes require more to 3-4" of substrate, correct?
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: HeadFood]
#10653810 - 07/10/09 04:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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HeadFood said:
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RogerRabbit said: Use rye berries to horse or cow manure in a substrate no deeper than 1 1/2". When colonized, use a very thin peat/verm casing layer no more than 1/4" thick. Copes are easy to grow. Many cube growers make the mistake of too thick a substrate, which doesn't work well for some reason. RR
I just want to make sure that this is just for Pans. Cubes require more to 3-4" of substrate, correct?
Yes, it is hard to get pans to fruit with a thick sub. Cubes will do fine with an 1 1/2" sub but don't expect much for yield. For cubes I recommend 3 1/2-4 1/2" and some suggest more than that. CH
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Re: RR Videos and Pan Cyans [Re: CH HELL]
#10653829 - 07/10/09 04:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok that's what I thought, I just wanted to be clear. Thanks for the quick response
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