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G1assjaw
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Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir??
#10631108 - 07/06/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do you guys think?? What would be the correct ratio?
Also, I have a bucket of coir that has been hydrated and covered with foil. How long will this stay good to use for? Can I just pasteurize it?
Thanks a bunch chall
-GlassJaw
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Citric
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: G1assjaw]
#10631166 - 07/06/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use to case with verm/coir, as did Magash and a shit ton of other people. I never had any issues with it. I sterilized it in a quart jar (With no holes in the lid), and use to store it until I needed it.
I used a brick of coir and mixed it with verm. I just eyeballed it, but usually around 60/40 verm/coir is roughly the mix I used.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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G1assjaw
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: Citric]
#10631178 - 07/06/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds about right to me, thanks Citric.
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SRHooM
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: G1assjaw]
#10631266 - 07/06/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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pro: Most people use it as a bulk sub so they have it around. Con: coir has Nutrients so you have more of a chance of overlay.
I did use a 60/40 coir/verm, but I also use a 50/50ish coir/verm bulk so I switched the coir with peat & now I get way better pin set.
Replace the coir with Peat moss, It's cheaper & can be found @ homedepot or lowes.
Yeah, I would pasteurize that coir before you use it again. Don't wanna mess the grow up near the end.
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mister
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631291 - 07/06/09 04:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coir and verm, no casing needed, cuts out time and chances of nasties taking hold.
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631308 - 07/06/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Con: coir has Nutrients so you have more of a chance of overlay.
Coir has nutrients, which cause the overlay of bacteria and competitors to your pins on your casing layer.
You want a nutrient-less casing layer to keep humidity and make the damn thing fruit. You don't want to provide your substrate with more nutes to make it stay in vegetative growth...
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa "When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi "The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley "The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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SRHooM
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: AlexP]
#10631332 - 07/06/09 04:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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AlexP said:
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Con: coir has Nutrients so you have more of a chance of overlay.
Coir has nutrients, which cause the overlay of bacteria and competitors to your pins on your casing layer.
You want a nutrient-less casing layer to keep humidity and make the damn thing fruit. You don't want to provide your substrate with more nutes to make it stay in vegetative growth...
Try reading dude that what I said! Peat is better for casing because Coir has nutrients.
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: AlexP]
#10631339 - 07/06/09 05:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can't case with coir and verm because it's does not qualify as one. Nice try though! Of those who replied in this thread does any one know the definition of a casing mix?
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: hyphae]
#10631368 - 07/06/09 05:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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No it's not a casing but it works if you add enough verm.. A proper casing mix for cubes is based on peat & verm as I said..
Like this, little to no growth on the casing
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AlexP
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: hyphae]
#10631372 - 07/06/09 05:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The casing mix is a mix to provide the substrate with humidity, not nutrients. To shroom: Read what overlay is, right there on Hyphae's signature. The casing mix with coir is not good, not because of overlay but because of nutrients.
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa "When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi "The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley "The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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SRHooM
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631379 - 07/06/09 05:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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SRHooM said: Like this, little to no growth on the casing
I think I know what a casing mix is, thx for your help tho..
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Damion5050
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: AlexP]
#10631382 - 07/06/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never case my mono tubs which are usually just coir/verm/coffee
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AlexP
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631385 - 07/06/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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FYI coir has nutrients.
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa "When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi "The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley "The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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G1assjaw
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631387 - 07/06/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Based on what Citric and the rest of you said I could really go 3 ways with it. Matter of preference I guess. The way I figure it everyone likes to do shit their own way and I like to go by trial and error. As I progress I will figure out what works best for me. Thanks for all the input! Love soaking in the info!
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G1assjaw
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: G1assjaw]
#10631404 - 07/06/09 05:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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So Hyphae, You do not agree with Citric?? Claims it works.
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SRHooM
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631412 - 07/06/09 05:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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well if your not trying to make a casing mix for a current grow then do some research & you will see Coir/vern "casing" is a last resort.
Read up on the 50/50 tek it's a true casing mix
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hyphae
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: SRHooM]
#10631416 - 07/06/09 05:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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SRHooM said: No it's not a casing but it works if you add enough verm.. A proper casing mix for cubes is based on peat & verm as I said..
Like this, little to no growth on the casing
Then you know coir/verm is simply a moisture rich nutrient layer not a casing that's the only point I was making. Just keeping us all on the same page is all. There is a lot of ways we can do things most will work just fine.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: hyphae]
#10631426 - 07/06/09 05:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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omg.. lol yeah ok
My point is coir/verm WILL work but is not a true casing... so I don't get what your saying..
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AlexP
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: hyphae]
#10631446 - 07/06/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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do some research & you will see Coir/vern "casing" is a last resort.
Research is my current hobbie. I'd rather case with straight verm. But I bought a huge amount of peat so I do 50/50.
As Hyphae said, most things will work fine, we can just fine tune them. There's so much effort put into it that's damn we don't.
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa "When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi "The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley "The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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hyphae
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Re: Pros and Cons of casing with verm and coir?? [Re: G1assjaw]
#10631463 - 07/06/09 05:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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G1assjaw said: So Hyphae, You do not agree with Citric?? Claims it works.
Coco/verm works but it is not a casing mix apparently those who claim it is should look up the definition. Coco coir/verm does work but for other reasons it is an extremely fast colonizer so when using it as a moisture rich nutrient layer you'll want to throw it in the FC almost immediately to get your pinset timing right on the balls (tits on). A casing layer is much easier to get the timing right.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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